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Russell Holton
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Windows 10
      #413174 - 08/04/15 09:57 PM

Don't say you haven't been warned... <BG>

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #413190 - 08/04/15 10:37 PM

"The man explained that the photos belonged to him and that he’d hid them in his “My Pictures” folder."

That ranks right up there with hiding your wallet and keys inside your shoes at the beach. No thief would ever think to check there!


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Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #413212 - 08/05/15 09:39 AM

It's worse than that.

http://tinyurl.com/nl47axw

Before "upgrading" to Windows 10, disable networking, fix the defaults, and
only then enable networking.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #413223 - 08/05/15 01:23 PM

OS X has its share of phone home gotchas, iOS too. Good suggestion, to disable networking, any platform, until you can sus out where the leaks are.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #413816 - 08/14/15 06:00 PM

My son gave it a try and he's planning to roll it back. The final straw came when it tried to chisel him out of $1.50 a month to play Freecell without a 30-second commercial every game <g>.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #413817 - 08/14/15 07:36 PM

One writer said that Windows 10 doesn't have spyware, Windows 10 is spyware.

I'll stick with 7 for now and, when I can't, I'll make he leap to something else.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #413824 - 08/14/15 10:33 PM

Quote:

The final straw came when it tried to chisel him out of $1.50 a month to play Freecell without a 30-second commercial every game <g>.




Surprise! ;-)

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Russell Holton
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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #413840 - 08/15/15 01:50 AM

Quote:

My son gave it a try and he's planning to roll it back. The final straw came when it tried to chisel him out of $1.50 a month to play Freecell without a 30-second commercial every game <g>.




That should improve office productivity. <bg>


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #413845 - 08/15/15 09:17 AM

Quote:

My son gave it a try and he's planning to roll it back. The final straw came when it tried to chisel him out of $1.50 a month to play Freecell without a 30-second commercial every game <g>.




I think this falls into the category of "hating your customer."

I'd have no problem with MS wanting to jump on the "in-App" purchase bandwagon, but they should do it by adding a new game where, perhaps to skip ads, or gain new levels, you could pay some money. To start charging to remove ads from games that have been there for years is just petty.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #413855 - 08/15/15 02:01 PM

I think Dan Barkley on another board pointed out "The Cloud" means someone else's computer. I don't want that. Seems like all the providers are trying to move everything that-a-way. I won't be joining them if I have a choice.
We just took our office computers off a small business network because MS didn't offer it any more. The only choice they offered was a much more expensive system. We just went to a shared hard drive with a sync program for Outlook calendar and contacts. No more network or MS in that regard. We were constantly having issues which seemed to never get fixed properly.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #413860 - 08/15/15 03:46 PM

Quote:

I think Dan Barkley on another board pointed out "The Cloud" means someone else's computer.



It's like flying in an actual cloud: you can't see where you're going, and you're under somebody else's control.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #413964 - 08/16/15 03:17 PM

Steph -

A couple of examples....
...I haven't checked them out,but.....

http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/microsofts-windows-10-permission-watch-every-move.html

https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html

I would ask what idiots think up these privacy policies, but I know that's the wrong question.....The folks who approve them just say, well, US law is extremely liberal, and if you want to do that, it's legal in the US. And send MS the bill for the advice. Not always so elsewhere in the world, but that's a different legal question. MS should really be looking at itself, and asking, is this pushing too far ?

Meantime, I'm with you...... no reason to upgrade to Win 10 and volunteer to accept their key logging and other spyware as "business as usual"......

Really, time for a user revolt, I think.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #413965 - 08/16/15 03:28 PM

Also, they're working counterfeit issues.....

http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows10counterfeitgames


Not to mention, they appear to be liars about "turned off"...

http://arstechnica.com/information-techn...g-to-microsoft/

http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-sends-some-info-microsoft-even-settings-turned


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #413973 - 08/16/15 04:40 PM

Looks as if the Borg have it sewn up...

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #413981 - 08/16/15 06:20 PM

Quote:

Looks as if the Borg have it sewn up...





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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #414320 - 08/24/15 05:36 PM

Quote:

Don't say you haven't been warned...





So far, I am regretting the upgrade. I did two - my home desktop and a laptop I use at work.

It's pretty, let me think of other benefits: Faster? Only now and then. Lots of hangups, restarts, etc. No other benefit comes to mind.

Both computers have started up numerous times to a message: "Critical Error: Cortana and Start menu inoperative. Will attempt to correct on next startup."

Good luck. Signing out and in is not going to be enough.

There is a curious thing where my Outlook account is fine on the desktop, but on the laptop it shows nothing in the inbox or any history of messages. It is the same account.

Life was fine with Windows 7 on the desktop, and I was coping with Windows 8 on the laptop. Is there a way to go back?

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #414322 - 08/24/15 06:13 PM

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Life was fine with Windows 7 on the desktop, and I was coping with Windows 8 on the laptop. Is there a way to go back?



As I understand it, Win 10 saves your old Windows in a directory called Windows.old and gives you one month to see the error of your ways and go back. It's supposed to preserve your personal files, but there are differing opinions as to what it does to your apps.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #414323 - 08/24/15 06:13 PM

Supposedly you can roll it back for a limited period of time.

I have 3 machines running Win7 and do not plan to change. If the free upgrade would work on XP I would try it, but it doesn't.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #414329 - 08/24/15 07:31 PM

Lots of places pointing out issues. Checks for old games it may not allow to be played. Past compatible files issues possible: you have to check if what you have will run on there. Automatic setting that have to be turned off if you don't want them doin somethin and you have to figure out what they are, etc.
I'll wait. Plenty of time. Maybe next time the Fed increases rates (which is rumored to be some time off now.)


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #414331 - 08/24/15 07:46 PM

Just upgraded a 64-bit Windows 8 laptop to Windows 10 and it's a lot better than Windows 8. I'm not sure it matters, but I'm also running Office 365 subscription without any problems.

the other bill

Edited by Bill Bridges - T47 (08/24/15 07:46 PM)


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #414336 - 08/24/15 09:55 PM

I had Windows 7 on a high end ThinkPad and had experienced a Blue Screen of Death and a number of other faults which led me to go ahead and instal Windows 10. However, i did it the easy way. I took it to a MicroSoft store and had them install it for free and prove to me that everything was working correctly. So far I'm satisfied. Access, Excel, Word and Outlook all work fine. It also found my two wireless printers in different rooms.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Rod Madsen (RDU)]
      #414502 - 08/28/15 10:58 PM

Rod,
I'm waiting for SP2, at least; same thing I did for W7. It seems that much like OSX Yosemite, it's better as a fresh install than as an over-write.

At least has the little trick of clicking on the upper left corner to make it look like W7.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Andrew Niemyer -KDLH]
      #414504 - 08/29/15 01:56 AM

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I'm waiting for SP2, at least; same thing I did for W7.



Um, Win7 never had a SP2.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #414512 - 08/29/15 02:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm waiting for SP2, at least; same thing I did for W7.



Um, Win7 never had a SP2.




SP, "fixes," "updates," whatever they were called, as long as it's not the 1.0 of anything.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Andrew Niemyer -KDLH]
      #414829 - 09/06/15 12:45 PM

Windows 10 Worst Feature New Feature Now Installing on Windows 7 and 8.
Article shows updates allow privacy sharing with MS and how to uninstall if you wish.

http://tinyurl.com/pugpsg5


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #415518 - 09/19/15 01:04 PM

This network administrator says MS is installing Windows 10 on 7 and 8 computers. I looked and didn't see any files. Any thoughts on this?

Dave
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It all started when an Inquirer reader found, hiding in the hidden directory $Windows.~BT on his PC, all of the Windows 10 installation files, even though he had not “reserved” a copy. Up to 6GB worth of them.

Some people were a mite upset about this. Especially people with small solid-state drives and slow Internet speeds.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2984729/microsoft-windows/windows-10-the-stealth-os.html


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #415519 - 09/19/15 01:52 PM

Just checked, and yes, they've done it to my machines.

You won't see it unless you have "Show hidden files" checked under Control Panel->Folder Options->View.

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Windows 10 [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #415521 - 09/19/15 03:19 PM

According to a report on this issue in Ars Technica, the updater attempts to
install W10 as well. You have to kill it manually.

Also, Microsoft is retrofitting all the W10 spyware into 7 and 8 as "updates".

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #415528 - 09/19/15 04:09 PM

Quote:

Just checked, and yes, they've done it to my machines.



I see no sign of it on mine. But then it's in hibernate mode unless I'm actually using it.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #415533 - 09/19/15 05:47 PM Attachment (115 downloads)

No sign of it on the real PC running W7Pro or the Mac, running the same version via Parallels. Did an update on both today (last update was 8/13/15 for both). Checked before and after that, nope (and yes, hidden files are shown, I think the desktop.ini files visible on the Desktop are a hint <g>).

I manually update Win, and only install "Important updates". Both machines are running gen-u-ine MS OEM versions of W7Pro, no idea if that makes a difference <shrug>

Nothing looking evil here...



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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #415534 - 09/19/15 05:51 PM

Quote:

I manually update Win, and only install "Important updates". Both machines are running OEM versions of W7Pro, no idea if that makes a difference <shrug>



I didn't get the systray "offer" icon until I installed some recommended updates. But so far no sign of odd folders in the root of my drive.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #415535 - 09/19/15 05:58 PM

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I didn't get the systray "offer" icon until I installed some recommended updates.




So I'm guessing that's where they're putting the W10 crapload? No offers here...

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #415537 - 09/19/15 06:24 PM Attachment (174 downloads)

And on a lighter note, somehow I've never noticed the chemtrails on the W7 splash screen ;-)



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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #415539 - 09/19/15 06:33 PM

Quote:

So I'm guessing that's where they're putting the W10 crapload? No offers here...



I'd expect that if you're not getting the offer (or should I call it pop-up advertising), then I wouldn't expect it to download in the background.

But there might be some more things that have to be installed for the silent download of W10.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #415541 - 09/19/15 06:35 PM

I clicked on "Reserve a copy for me" when they made the initial offer, planning to let others be the guinea pigs...perhaps "reserve" meant "stage" in the sysadmin context.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #415542 - 09/19/15 07:21 PM

Quote:

I clicked on "Reserve a copy for me" when they made the initial offer, planning to let others be the guinea pigs...perhaps "reserve" meant "stage" in the sysadmin context.



Ah, that could be. I've just been clicking the "x". The offer isn't going anywhere for the next several months. It's not like Microsoft is going to run out of copies. I'm in no hurry. I see no advantage to reserving "now".


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #415544 - 09/19/15 08:06 PM

Quote:

I'd expect that if you're not getting the offer (or should I call it pop-up advertising), then I wouldn't expect it to download in the background.

But there might be some more things that have to be installed for the silent download of W10




And the offer and enabling software most likely came with a recommended update. I don't browse from either Windows install, but figger I might as well stay current with the important stuff. Windows Update is usually the only time they're allowed to be online, a few app updates also.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #416653 - 10/14/15 02:41 PM

Ugh. My main computer is now pushing W10. It came up as a "checked" optional update in today's "patch Tuesday". It was checked, even though I had set the update to not to install optional updates.

Still no sign of unauthorized install downloads.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #416662 - 10/14/15 05:20 PM

Mind did, as well.

Those weasels.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Stephanie Belser]
      #416668 - 10/14/15 07:13 PM

Mine too...thanks all for the heads-up.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #416717 - 10/15/15 09:03 PM

Seems some are getting it worse: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out

"Reports are circulating that some users are being presented with dialog boxes that only give them the option to start the upgrade process or reschedule it for a later date. Others are finding that the Windows Update screen is only offering them the option to begin the upgrade process, with other system updates being hidden from view."

I admit, when I was doing my manual Windows update, it took a bit to figure out how to get my updates without approving the Windows 10 install.

I also had this happen to one of my work machines. I think MS is forgetting who is buttering their bread. If business machines accidentally get upgraded, I don't think corporate will be amused.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #416718 - 10/15/15 09:13 PM

Quote:


I admit, when I was doing my manual Windows update, it took a bit to figure out how to get my updates without approving the Windows 10 install.






How did you do it?
I am having this problem.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #416722 - 10/15/15 10:22 PM Attachment (153 downloads)

Quote:

"Reports are circulating that some users are being presented with dialog boxes that only give them the option to start the upgrade process or reschedule it for a later date. Others are finding that the Windows Update screen is only offering them the option to begin the upgrade process, with other system updates being hidden from view."


Hi Russel,
Yup, this is me right now.
I use 7 pro and Melody uses 8. I’ve intended to upgrade to 10 when we settle down at the end of the year and buy and live in a house again with a broadband connection. We’ve been full time in a motorhome since retirement and streaming update data via Verizon Jetpac is too expensive. We discovered unexplained ultra-high data usage. So, manual updates when we find a good free wifi.

My understanding is once you go with 10 you lose control over when updates are done. Soon as I turn on my Veison Jetpac it’s going to start streaming update data!

So, anyhow my 7 is several months out of date.

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Edited by Tom Charlton (10/15/15 10:25 PM)


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416724 - 10/15/15 11:48 PM

I'm going by memory here, I think it's "Show all available updates" just under that big inviting window. Once in there, go to the "option" tab on the left and uncheck Windows 10. You may have to scroll down to the bottom.

Whatever you do, DON'T click the big button until you find the magic checkbox. You'll know you have it when that Windows logo goes away and it all looks normal again.

Edited by Russell Holton (10/15/15 11:49 PM)


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416725 - 10/15/15 11:58 PM

BTW, I notice you're only getting updates for Windows only. I'd suggest clicking on "Find out more." near the bottom on the screen. It will install a little better update that will do security updates on MS apps - things like MS Office, SQL, etc.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #416731 - 10/16/15 09:01 AM

That's it. Sort of not getting your attention"show all available---" last update seemed to take forever. I had carefully unchecked the option for Win10. I was afraid the win10 update was taking place but it came out OK with no 10 update. Whew!

I just don't want the hassle of learning a new system. Win 7 is stable, does everything I need and I don't want MS intruding on my hardware with out my permission.
Maybe MS should give me a new computer, then it would be their hardware they're goin into. :>)

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Stephanie Belser]
      #416735 - 10/16/15 09:32 AM

Auto download of Win 10 is apparently triggered by Win 7/8 update KB3035583.

And Win 10 will "brick" third-party antivirus programs.

https://bearbussjaeger.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/windows-10-reason-eleventy-gazzillion-to-avoid-it/

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Windows 10 [Re: Ken Korshin KMIA]
      #416736 - 10/16/15 10:03 AM

>> I just don't want the hassle of learning a new system. <<

I second that, Ken.

Another disadvantage of 10, buying new versions of applications that can't be
transported from 7 to 10. Haven't seen anyone mention that, but it could get
to be expensive and more than just a nuisance.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Stephanie Belser]
      #416742 - 10/16/15 11:07 AM

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And Win 10 will "brick" third-party antivirus programs.




I've been getting notices from Kaspersky warning me to do their upgrade before bringing Win10 aboard.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ken Korshin KMIA]
      #416747 - 10/16/15 01:29 PM

Quote:

last update seemed to take forever.



Probably Windows Malicious Software Tool. I think it does a scan as part of the install.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #416748 - 10/16/15 01:35 PM

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Another disadvantage of 10, buying new versions of applications that can't be transported from 7 to 10.



Have you run into some? I know I ran an adviser and it pointed out a number of programs, but I'm not sure as it was more of a "not supported" rather than "won't work" advisory.


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Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #416763 - 10/16/15 05:53 PM

Russell, for starters, MS Office and WordPerfect Suite now running on my Win
7 machines can't be brought over. I think Office requires a license or
subscription for each machine and my current WP license only covers two
machines. So, we are talking about more than pocket change.

Then there are drivers for my oldish printers. And I don't see any 3rd
party up-levels for my sleep apnea hardware.

I see no advantage for *me* going to Win 10, and a load of disadvantages.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #416770 - 10/16/15 07:18 PM

Ward,

I rent my MS Office for about $65.00 a year. It gives me the latest version. Cheaper than buying and worrying about it.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Stephanie Belser]
      #416771 - 10/16/15 07:21 PM

I just deleted/hid the "KB" causing all the problems.

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Windows 10 [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #416776 - 10/16/15 09:42 PM

>> I rent my MS Office for about $65.00 a year. It gives me the latest
version. Cheaper than buying and worrying about it. <<

Bill, if I went to Win 10, I would have to rent three copies, for about $195
a year . After four years that would be about $780. I was talking about the
costs of moving to Win 10. That would be $780 I could avoid, if I stayed
with Win 7.

Incidentally, the three copies of MS Office I now have I bought for about
$100 each and have had for several years.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #416781 - 10/16/15 10:05 PM

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Russell, for starters, MS Office and WordPerfect Suite now running on my Win 7 machines can't be brought over.



"Can't" or "not supported"? Have you googled the version and found out if there's a way to run it on 10?


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Stephanie Belser]
      #416911 - 10/19/15 11:20 PM

>>>Auto download of Win 10 is apparently triggered by Win 7/8 update KB3035583.<<<

Must be more to it than that.... We installed that on 07/17/15, no issues...

Still using a non-MS antivirus, OK.

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Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3035583)

Installation date: &#8206;7/&#8206;17/&#8206;2015 3:01 AM

Installation status: Successful

Update type: Recommended

Install this update to resolve issues in Windows. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article for more information. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

More information:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/3035583

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #416918 - 10/19/15 11:44 PM

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Must be more to it than that.... We installed that on 07/17/15, no issues...




There is. Sorry, I didn't take notes. I installed some additional optional updates. I don't remember how I selected them - I think they said they were assessing my hardware. But once I added them, I got the upgrade offer in my systray.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416924 - 10/20/15 08:17 AM

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So, anyhow my 7 is several months out of date.



Next time I went back to the Windows Update screen it showed what I’d normally expect to see. So, at oh-dark-thirty when I had a decent Wi-Fi data stream I had a successful download and system update for Windows-7.

Do I understand correctly that when I do upgrade to 10 all of my MS Office stuff isn’t usable? That I’ll need to buy some sort of MS Office subscription deal?

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416927 - 10/20/15 08:41 AM

I'm still using Office 2003 with W 7. Do't think I'll up date. I switched to Thunderbird long ago.

Windows is not done, until older Office won't run?


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416937 - 10/20/15 11:43 AM

MS office stuff continues to run normally when moving from W7 to W10. I did it.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416944 - 10/20/15 01:18 PM

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Do I understand correctly that when I do upgrade to 10 all of my MS Office stuff isn’t usable?



I think that would depend on what version of Office you have. If you're running a really old version, it may not be supported. I'm not sure if it quits or not.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Tom Charlton]
      #416956 - 10/20/15 04:13 PM

Quote:

[
Do I understand correctly that when I do upgrade to 10 all of my MS Office stuff isn’t usable? That I’ll need to buy some sort of MS Office subscription deal?

Regards,
Tom Charlton




I have heard that, but I am using my Office programs with 10 on two computers without any issues.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #416957 - 10/20/15 04:20 PM

As long as you're staying with the same number of bits (32 Vs. 64), I don't think there's that big a leap from Win7 to Win10. I'm not aware of any new thing that was added that would break most programs. (Things that dig deep like AV is a different story.)

One of the bigger changes was that Program Files was no longer the private scratch pad of programs. But I think that rolled out some time during XP and really enforced in Win7.

The other big thing is that 64-bit programs won't run the old 16-bi programs. And with Win7, 64-bit became quite common if not mainstream.


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Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #416963 - 10/20/15 05:35 PM

Gil, what version of MS Office are your running on Win 10?

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Rod Madsen (RDU)]
      #416965 - 10/20/15 05:45 PM

I am running Office 2000 on Windows 7/64 with no problem.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #416994 - 10/21/15 10:55 PM

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Gil, what version of MS Office are your running on Win 10?




Office 2010.

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Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #416998 - 10/22/15 08:50 AM

>> Win10...running Office 2010. <<

Good for you, Gil!


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #417377 - 11/02/15 05:12 PM

Microsoft admits Windows 10 automatic spying cannot be turned off.

http://tinyurl.com/nuf7j6l


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #417379 - 11/02/15 08:03 PM

KILLER FEATURE!!!

Unless timely exorcised, may be the end of the ""M"pire

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #417381 - 11/02/15 09:30 PM

Considering the move to "the cloud", this pales in comparison of what any cloud provider has on you.

While people frequently get up in arms about Microsoft, it seems time and again, they're a software company with little interest in people's data.

That's more than I can say about "the big G" which is an analytics company that packages you up for the advertisers.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #417392 - 11/03/15 07:08 AM

looks like my word 2003 may be in trouble if I upgrade.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...e8a5d46f?auth=1

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #417412 - 11/03/15 12:03 PM

Quote:

looks like my word 2003 may be in trouble if I upgrade.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...e8a5d46f?auth=1



A quick read seems to indicate that it's not supported, but some are reporting that at least Word seems to work OK.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #417495 - 11/05/15 03:38 AM

>>A quick read seems to indicate that it's not supported, but some are reporting that at least Word seems to work OK. <<

Whatever.
I've got an old version of Mass11 that still works just fine on one of my computers. No problema.Doesnt require all this damn expensive maintenance, either...<g>

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Reams Goodloe]
      #417503 - 11/05/15 07:52 AM

I have used Open office and LIbre OFfice as replacements for word and Excel. I didn't like their Access look alike though.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #418995 - 12/10/15 11:45 AM

I had the update to Windows 10 show up today on one of my Win 7 machines, but not the other. I thought I had it locked out, but apparently not. I'm not sure which update set it off. Eventually I'll figure it out.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #418996 - 12/10/15 12:29 PM

Quote:

I had the update to Windows 10 show up today on one of my Win 7 machines, but not the other. I thought I had it locked out, but apparently not. I'm not sure which update set it off.



You probably removed the update responsible, but forgot to tell it to not re-install. So it came back in along with all the other updates this week.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #419005 - 12/10/15 04:14 PM

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You probably removed the update responsible, but forgot to tell it to not re-install. So it came back in along with all the other updates this week.




Maybe, maybe not. A current article here indicates MS may be narrowing the options.

FWIW, I updated W7 Pro last week, (manually, as always), with only the security updates (I haven't even looked at the optional updates for years). No nag stuff here.

For my situation, being as I never use Windows to browse, email, or do anything online other than occasionally check for updates on 3 or 4 apps, the security issues aren't really relevant either. I also disable my network connection unless I'm doing those limited online tasks.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #419006 - 12/10/15 04:16 PM

Bill, out of curiosity, did you ever "reserve" the Windows 10 upgrade on either of those machines?

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #419019 - 12/10/15 05:55 PM

Quote:

Bill, out of curiosity, did you ever "reserve" the Windows 10 upgrade on either of those machines?

jb




No.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421079 - 01/24/16 11:53 AM

Thanks to an unrecoverable device loading issue I am now running two Win 10 installations -- one preloaded on an ASUS ultrabook I purchased after exhausting all recovery options on my previously-trusty Lenovo, and the other on the Lenovo after getting real impressed with 10, wiping the drive, and taking advantage of the free upgrade.

Thoughts:

1. The privacy concerns are real. The [Recommended] installation button is presented front-and-center, while the custom option is hanging out trailing off the text nobody reads up-and-to-the-left of the Next/Next/Next action area. Let MS herd you through express/recommended installation and you'll reveal your mother's maiden name and everything she ever whispered into your father's ear, and maybe some other ears. Click the custom option and turn just about every default off and you'll probably still be sending MS everything, but you won't feel like such a sucker.

2. You'll pick the interface right up from Win 7 or before. They've backed off the whole touchscreen thing, and you can tell it you have no plans to be poking at your screen and it will even remove a few touch screen interface options to keep it all pretty simple.

3. Win 10 is more backwardly compatible with everything I run than any version of Windows before it. Not only does Office 2003 (last good version of Word, IMO) run without a hitch, some programs that had random fatal glitches from ME on up now run like champs. DOSbox also runs fine, meaning there is not a program or game in my library dating back to the 80s that doesn't work on these machines.

4. It's fast and stable. The only way I've been able to provoke the installation on either machine is by closing the lid during the shutdown process, which results in a brief "didn't shut down correctly" pause on the next start up. It's only been two weeks, but usually I can break stuff in two days. We'll see.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Mike Overly]
      #421087 - 01/24/16 02:27 PM

Thanks for the report Mike. I'll eventually migrate there. Appreciate the set up warnings. I'll probably do it one day when I have plenty of time to fix stuff.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Mike Overly]
      #421088 - 01/24/16 02:52 PM

That's really helpful, Mike. I'll probably not due the upgrade on current (fairly long in the tooth) machines but I won't dread Win10 on new equipment.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Mike Overly]
      #421097 - 01/24/16 05:48 PM

Quote:

The privacy concerns are real.



Counterpoint: It's not privancy, it's analytics
Revealed! The crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing



Quote:

Win 10 is more backwardly compatible with everything I run than any version of Windows before it.



I'm guessing you're running 32-bit Windows? Last I knew, 16-bit programs were still a no-go for 64-bit Windows. Or has that changed?


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Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421100 - 01/24/16 06:20 PM

Windows 7 killed 16 bit apps and full-screen command windows. I use both. I
have stayed with XP.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421104 - 01/24/16 06:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

The privacy concerns are real.



Counterpoint: It's not privancy, it's analytics
Revealed! The crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing

Quote:

Win 10 is more backwardly compatible with everything I run than any version of Windows before it.



I'm guessing you're running 32-bit Windows? Last I knew, 16-bit programs were still a no-go for 64-bit Windows. Or has that changed?




At first I thought that article was a spoof, but apparently the guy's serious. If you read through the default things MS wants collect to enhance your experience and you're fine with it, well, fine.

I'm running 64-bit, but I haven't had any problem emulating older environments via DOSbox. Here's an article with a few strategies depending on what you're trying to run.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421106 - 01/24/16 09:44 PM

Quote:

Windows 7 killed 16 bit apps and full-screen command windows.




Windows 7/64, yes.

Windows 7/32, I can't say as I've used full-screen command, but it will run 16-bit DOS programs that Windows 7/64 will not.


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Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421107 - 01/24/16 09:53 PM

A few weeks ago, I bought a bare (no disk, no operating system) server for
cheap. Windows XP installation failed, so I tried the current Ubuntu
server. It's command line only, which doesn't bother me. I had Ubuntu
installed, including Windows file shares via Samba, in twenty minutes. That
is roughly sixty times faster than installing Windows and getting it the way
I want it.

Bias disclosure: You hear that from someone who is equally at home on
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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421112 - 01/25/16 01:59 AM

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Windows XP installation failed,



It may have had a chipset that Windows XP didn't know how to run. That's one problem with new machines - you can't get drivers for an obsolete OS.


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Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421114 - 01/25/16 06:40 AM

No doubt. I got sucked in by misunderstanding the CPU type. It read and was
priced as if it was an ancient(!) Pentium.

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Mike Overly]
      #421144 - 01/25/16 04:06 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

The privacy concerns are real.



Counterpoint: It's not privancy, it's analytics
Revealed! The crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing

Quote:

Win 10 is more backwardly compatible with everything I run than any version of Windows before it.



I'm guessing you're running 32-bit Windows? Last I knew, 16-bit programs were still a no-go for 64-bit Windows. Or has that changed?




At first I thought that article was a spoof, but apparently the guy's serious. If you read through the default things MS wants collect to enhance your experience and you're fine with it, well, fine.

I'm running 64-bit, but I haven't had any problem emulating older environments via DOSbox. Here's an article with a few strategies depending on what you're trying to run.




It's a question of trust. My trust is limited, when it comes to a company that's uploading Windows 10 installation files to customers with Windows 7 or 8, without asking or notifying, and taking away a customer's ability to control the timing and selection of which updates to install.

I just installed Windows 7 Ultimate on this machine, and I'll keep it as long as I can. I'm also running GWX Control Panel and Spybot Anti-Beacon occasionally. So far that's doing the job for me.

For my portable, I'm looking for 8.1 Pro install media that's over a year old, to get around automatic installation of certain updates. I have a license, but not the media that I want.

Eventually I may have to consider a hardware-based firewall to block traffic.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Cole Loftus [C89]]
      #421145 - 01/25/16 04:12 PM

Quote:

It's a question of trust. My trust is limited,




Things change, but I can't remember Microsoft being anything but a over-eager software company. I can't remember any instance of them being interested in your data.

OTOH, Google packages you up for delivery to advertisers. They're primarily an information company.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421166 - 01/25/16 09:27 PM

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Things change, but I can't remember Microsoft being anything but a over-eager software company.




Sorta seems like calling King Kong a rather large gorilla <g>

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #421169 - 01/25/16 09:53 PM

Quote:

Sorta seems like calling King Kong a rather large gorilla <g>




Either way, they're not a Ferengi. <g>


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421171 - 01/25/16 11:01 PM

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Either way, they're not a Ferengi. <g>




Now that would be an unfair comparison, they're certainly not like this...

"They and their culture are characterized by a mercantile obsession with profit and trade, and their constant efforts to swindle unwary customers into unfair deals."

Hmmm... Nah ;-) Yeah, right...

jb

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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Russell Holton]
      #421172 - 01/25/16 11:20 PM

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It's a question of trust. My trust is limited,




Things change, but I can't remember Microsoft being anything but a over-eager software company. I can't remember any instance of them being interested in your data.

OTOH, Google packages you up for delivery to advertisers. They're primarily an information company.




Whether a company's interested or not can be a very small factor these days. Any data collection can draw flies. And Microsoft seems to be changing. It used to be about revenue streams. Lately control seems to be a priority, and I don't particularly care for what's now going on behind the curtain.


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Re: Windows 10 [Re: Jim Bell]
      #421177 - 01/26/16 01:21 AM

>>>Now that would be an unfair comparison, they're certainly not like this...<<<

Thanks for that reality check, Jim....<G>

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