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Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)
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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteStar
      #127135 - 09/18/06 10:11 PM

Good evening everyone. I have yet another basic question for you folks that are Jepp FliteStar users.

Is there any way to include ETA's on the FliteStar nav log?

I know how to enter an arrival/departure time on the Route Calculator, and when you do that the program calculates the ETA's at the other waypoints.

But when I print the NavLog, the ETA info is not included.

Looking through the help file I can't find a way to include that data on the printout.

So if anybody out there knows how to do that, I'd appreciate learning the secret.

Thanks!

-Tom H.
Ventura, CA


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Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)
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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteStar [Re: Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)]
      #127148 - 09/19/06 03:55 AM

Tom,

Take a look at the JAR-OPS flight log format. It includes times based on
your flight plan time off.

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Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteStar [Re: Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)]
      #127162 - 09/19/06 05:46 AM

Tom -- I've found that on nav logs, ETA is next to useless, unless I can know
the moment of liftoff in advance (and that is highly unlikely). ETE is much
more useful to me.

I'm not familiar with FlightStar, though.

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Ed Williams [PHOG]
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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteStar [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #127170 - 09/19/06 07:15 AM

Agreed. What is useful is to have a column for distance and/or estimate
time remaining to destination. That's what you need to see if all is
according to plan.

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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteStar [Re: Ed Williams [PHOG]]
      #127171 - 09/19/06 07:34 AM

Ed -- I tend to live by my little version of "mission elapsed time". ETA is
useful in the planning stage to know if I'll get there before the FBO
closes....

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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteStar [Re: Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]]
      #127201 - 09/19/06 11:26 AM

Scott,

With FlightStar it is easy to see both, if you wish.

However, I've not used the ETA option that I described to Tom.

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Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)
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Re: Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Ron Rosenfeld (EPM)]
      #127255 - 09/19/06 07:44 PM

Great idea Ron. I'll do that.

I looked at JAR-ops some time ago when I first started using Flitestar, but havent' since. So thanks for the tip.

And I agree about ETA's not beign too helpful while airborne. But when planning a long flight I do find it helpful.

Knowing when I would likely be over a given waypoint helps if the weather is changing rapidly, as it often does out here in the Wild West.

Also, I have a restriction on my medical that prohibits night flight (colorblind) so I can enter the end of nautical twilight as the destination ETA, and the program then gives me a pretty good idea of the "must be off" time.

All the above are easily done manually, but I'd rather have the computer do it for me.

Lazy is as lazy does!

-TH


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Ed Williams [PHOG]
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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)]
      #127259 - 09/19/06 09:46 PM

Did you try the light gun test? I can't pass the Ishihara book (at least
not without looking in the back of the book before the doctor arrives <g>),
but I could do the light guns.

This whole night restriction is dumb. I have >2000 hours at night and if I
ever had a color problem, I never noticed it.


Ed


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Re: Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Ed Williams [PHOG]]
      #127366 - 09/20/06 09:08 PM

Hi Ed.

I haven't tried the light gun test. I doubt that I could pass it.

I can't tell the difference between the white tail light and the green wing light.

Sometimes, I can tell that one is a bit bluer than the other, or a bit dimmer, etc. But even then it is a crapshoot as to which is which.

-Tom H.
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Ed Williams [PHOG]
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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)]
      #127367 - 09/20/06 09:55 PM

Same with me - even though I'm nominally red-green color blind, I don't
have any significant difficulty distinguishing them. The tougher one is
for me white vs. green lights. If I see them both, I can tell you which one
is which, but as a standalone, I can't say with certainty. So, with say the
rotating beacon, after a few flashes I can tell you "green-
white-green-white" accurately, but after a single flash, I might get it
wrong. Beats me why that is a problem.
You can radio the tower and have them signal you and you can see for
yourself. If you fail during the day, you can request a night test, which I
find easier...

Ed


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Re: Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Ed Williams [PHOG]]
      #127368 - 09/20/06 10:58 PM

I have it just a tad worse than you, Ed. With the beacon, I can see very slight variations between the green and white, but would be completely guessing which was which.

I might give the lantern a try, but since I'm 90% sure I'll flunk, it hardly seems worth the time and effort. I'm sure the FSDO folks have better things to do.

I should have the tower folks give me the lights sometime when I'm down there after dark just for kicks....

-TH


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Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)]
      #127381 - 09/21/06 06:48 AM

It's worth checking for yourself with the lights from the tower. That's
what the FSDO will do if you tried for a waiver.

Ed


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Re: Printing ETA's on Nav Logs using Jepp FliteSta [Re: Tom Henderson (KOXR/SoCal)]
      #127465 - 09/22/06 07:35 AM

My procedure is to enter the time off in the block they give you and then update as I make each waypoint. This forces me to see if the assumptions I and the FliteStar made are going down the tubes. I also cross-check the planned fuel consumption with the totalizers readings.

jerry


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