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Mase Taylor
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Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers...
      #422397 - 03/02/16 10:05 PM

The crash.

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Fly The Airplane As Far Into The Crash As Possible. - Bob Hoover 1922-2016 R.I.P.


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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Reged: 05/15/04
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #422409 - 03/03/16 11:35 AM

Thanks Mase

Yes, almost 40 years ago. CRM at it's worse with the KLM Captain? I had forgotten that a Pan Am pilot survived.

Also brought back memories of being ALPA Chief Accident Investigator for a runway accident in the fog at Detroit. Killed 18 people on the DC-9, that was on the runway by mistake. The DC-9 copilot (well all the pilots of both aircraft) survived. He saw the coming B-727 and ducked down in the cockpit and toward the center quadrant. The B-727 wing hit the right cockpit and then went through the right side of the aircraft leaving fuel before knocking off the #2 engine.

The copilot had minor cuts in his shoulder and (yes true) bits of the wing tip light from the B-727.

Regards,

Dux


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Ralph Hood
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #422411 - 03/03/16 11:41 AM

Mase T:

Thanks so much for posting that.

Ralph H

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #422418 - 03/03/16 11:56 AM

Quote:

the DC-9, that was on the runway by mistake.



Have you seen Jepp Flightdeck Pro app that we're now using on the iPad in the cockpit? Delta went with the MS Surface Pro but also from the same Jepp app.

UAL just got approval to turn on the feature which shows the aircraft position on the 10-9 taxi diagram page. It's a big help for maintaining position awareness at the larger airports. Lots of accidents, incidents, and incursions could have been, and will be, prevented with this.


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Randy Sohn
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #422425 - 03/03/16 12:30 PM

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almost 40 years ago. CRM at it's worse




Dux, isn't it strange how the mind works? Most people can clearly recall where they were when they'd first heerd about several things such as the Kennedy assasination. I can also - but also can tell you exactly where I was when the teletype first announced this Tennerife acccident - the crew room in Omaha in this case.

best, randy


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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #422482 - 03/04/16 04:29 PM

Thanks Larry

Yes my son (AA Instructor) and I have talked about this major taxi help for the cockpit. Decades ago I would tell my wife and non airline friends, flying was easy, taxiing was hard. Mostly that comment went over their heads. (Well my wife understood after the Detroit fog accident I investigated).

Regards,

Dux


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Randy Sohn
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #422485 - 03/04/16 04:59 PM

Quote:

taxiing was hard




Concur!!!!!!!!!!!!!

best, randy


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Gil Buettner [KAUW]
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Reged: 05/16/04
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #422486 - 03/04/16 05:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:

taxiing was hard




Concur!!!!!!!!!!!!!

best, randy





The C-130 had a feature called "low speed ground idle," which allowed you small throttle movements and very precise differential thrust to steer the airplane from the right seat. Nosewheel steering control was only on the left.

As a copilot, it was a constant challenge to steer in low speed ground idle, and everyone else in the cockpit would give you grief if you moved one of the four throttles too much and popped up to normal ground idle.

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Ray Tackett
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Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #422487 - 03/04/16 05:11 PM

Indeed. And if you think it isn't difficult enough at the eye height of an
airline cockpit, try a GA plane at a major airport on a rainy night. The
pilot's eyes being only four to six feet above the pavement in a sea of
lights does not help.

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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Randy Sohn
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Re: Surviving Tenerife Pilot Remembers... [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #422490 - 03/04/16 06:15 PM

Quote:

The C-130 had a feature called "low speed ground idle,"




Gil, IIRC it wasn't only the Herc that had the LSGI, the 580 had it also and, unless I'm badly mistaken, so did the L-188.

best, randy (spent a lot of time in the right seat instructing with that "upshift" deal)


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