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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Extra Training Day at United
      #421335 - 01/30/16 12:20 PM

United is going to have an extra training day for it's pilots.

the other bill


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421336 - 01/30/16 12:38 PM

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United is going to have an extra training day for it's pilots.



"Leadership Excellence and Professionalism"

I go next Friday. Pays five hours of flight pay...


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421341 - 01/30/16 02:01 PM

So, does completing "LEP" make you a LEPer? <g> Or is that only for the instructors?

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nehoC hctiM
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421361 - 01/30/16 10:37 PM

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United is going to have an extra training day for it's pilots.



"Leadership Excellence and Professionalism"

I go next Friday. Pays five hours of flight pay...




We have a class similar every few years for Captains, we call it "Charm School!"

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #421368 - 01/31/16 10:04 AM

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We have a class similar every few years for Captains, we call it "Charm School!"



At United, CRM is integrated into all phases of training. It isn't a separate module or class like it was at my previous airlines. We use the Threat/Error Management (TEM) model.

LEaP is different. I'll know more after I've attended the class next week but they are looking at all the hiring that is currently going on along with the upgrades, pilots changing airplanes, and the integration of the cultures from legacy-CAL and legacy-UAL. All of these changes present new threats and they are trying to be proactive in managing them.

One aspect from LEaP that has already hit the FOM is a post-flight debrief of the threats/errors encountered on the just completed flight.

Plus, we get a free lunch!


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: nehoC hctiM]
      #421369 - 01/31/16 10:30 AM

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we call it "Charm School!"



In the military, that's the term for the school that teaches direct-commissioned doctors and lawyers how to wear a uniform and whom to salute...;-)

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Richard Duxbury (Dux)
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421411 - 02/01/16 06:29 PM

Merger time can also equate to high safety risk. The Northwest/Republic merger resulted in two hull loss accidents at DTW and a close call with a DC-9 somewhere in the Southwest?

Yes, and a DC-10 landing at not only the wrong airport -but the wrong country. And the pilot groups were not happy with the seniority list.

Good for UAL for this training and awareness. I seem to also recall that after a B-747 close call after engine failure from SFO and a bad pilot response (not much rudder) -that UAL did some extra training with their 747 crews?

The Delta/Northwest merger went better -but a lot of additional air safety work by the Company and ALPA.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Richard Duxbury (Dux)]
      #421416 - 02/01/16 07:02 PM

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Merger time can also equate to high safety risk




Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Gil Buettner [KAUW]
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #421480 - 02/02/16 10:39 PM

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[In the military, that's the term for the school that teaches direct-commissioned doctors and lawyers how to wear a uniform and whom to salute...;-)




In my experience, they did not really get it.

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #421481 - 02/02/16 11:04 PM

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[In the military, that's the term for the school that teaches direct-commissioned doctors and lawyers how to wear a uniform and whom to salute...;-)




In my experience, they did not really get it.




Not sure they wanted to? I know if I'd spent 8 years in medical school and got drafted I wouldn't be too happy.
We had two flight surgeons in our aviation bn. and they were drafted and living in tents just like the rest of us.

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Ralph Jones
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #421482 - 02/02/16 11:04 PM

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In my experience, they did not really get it.



Yeah, I kinda noticed that...;-)

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Mase Taylor
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Gil Buettner [KAUW]]
      #421483 - 02/02/16 11:31 PM

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In my experience, they did not really get it.




My best friend is a dentist (retired). He spent 4 years Army active duty and 25 years reserves. Every year he spent a month or so at Ft. Hood. He got it.

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421484 - 02/02/16 11:39 PM

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Not sure they wanted to?



Sounds like "lack of external motivation" to me. <g>


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421485 - 02/02/16 11:47 PM

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Not sure they wanted to? I know if I'd spent 8 years in medical school and got drafted I wouldn't be too happy.



Hey, they should make a TV sitcom about that. Maybe set it in Korea. Make the docs funny, too. Should be a big hit!


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Mase Taylor
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421486 - 02/02/16 11:59 PM

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Not sure they wanted to? I know if I'd spent 8 years in medical school and got drafted I wouldn't be too happy.



Hey, they should make a TV sitcom about that. Maybe set it in Korea. Make the docs funny, too. Should be a big hit!




And then, 30 years later, they could put it on Netflix <G>.

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Terry Carraway
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421491 - 02/03/16 08:44 AM

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Quote:

Not sure they wanted to? I know if I'd spent 8 years in medical school and got drafted I wouldn't be too happy.



Hey, they should make a TV sitcom about that. Maybe set it in Korea. Make the docs funny, too. Should be a big hit!




But first, you need to make a movie about it. :)

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Ray Tackett
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Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421494 - 02/03/16 09:55 AM

We had a draftee doctor arrive in our unit a month or so after I got there.
He wasn't too happy, but he did bring a copy of "Handbook of Tropical
Medicine", which was very helpful in figuring out what was up with some of
the Vietnamese. He did his job well, though.

His unhappiness started on day one. There wasn't a place for him to sleep
his first night (arrived late in the day), so he put up his poncho on four
sticks, each with a piece of commo wire at 45 degrees to a stake, so the
poncho was stretched out flat about 2.5 feet above his air mattress. He tied
the poncho hood shut and dropped a mosquito net over the rig. That was
almost clever enough, given the hot weather.

He woke up because something was on his belly. It was a sagging poncho full
of monsoon rain water. He opened his eyes just in time to see the poncho
split in half from the strain.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421496 - 02/03/16 10:33 AM

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He opened his eyes just in time to see the poncho
split in half from the strain.




Ray, NOW you owe me for one keyboard! <g>

best, randy


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #421497 - 02/03/16 10:41 AM

Brings back memories:)
Sorry to not be participating more: I'm in annual recurrent ski training ;)


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Doug Ritter
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421757 - 02/11/16 12:44 PM

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United is going to have an extra training day for it's pilots.





Might do better to train their other employees and maintenance personnel. As a United platinum flyer, I am beginning to consider switching airlines. At least half my flights in the last couple months have been late or totally screwed up. Took 20 hours to get home from Louisville, via Dulles in the end. Took 14 hours to get home from Minneapolis last week. Both times they lied about the cause, which was a mechanical, first one they blamed on ATC, second they blamed on late arriving crew. I could go on ad nauseam. Late is bad, but late and screwing up connections is worse. And, pretty much nobody at United seems to give a damn. Despite filling out negative responses to email surveys that conveniently are never for the flights that are directly screwed up and inviting them to contact me, never happens. Tried emailing, just get a boilerplate response. If their goal is to chase away good customers, they are succeeding.

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Doug Ritter]
      #421766 - 02/11/16 02:13 PM

UAL is leading the pack (largest four) this year in on-time arrivals (A:00, DOT reports are typically A:14). UA was top in January and these are the numbers for February through the 10th. We were consistently third in the first half of last year and second in the second half.

1 UA 78.2%
2 WN 73.6%
3 DL 71.1%
4 AA 68.6%

Of course, none of that means anything when you're flying and it is your flight that is delayed.

My only delay on my last trip (six legs) was TPA-EWR when we had an ATC EDCT due to snow in EWR. The hub recovered quickly, though, and my outbound from EWR was on-time.

The LEaP course was pretty good. All safety related though the EWR Chief Pilot, who opened the class, commented on the significant operational improvements over the past year.

One nice thing, which wasn't publicized AFAIK, is that all DirecTV-equipped flights last Sunday waived the DTV fee for departures after 12:00 noon so the passengers could watch the Superbowl for free. I worked a flight which departed about 30 minutes before kickoff and the whole cabin cheered when the F/A announced that the TV would be free.


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421768 - 02/11/16 02:39 PM

Larry,

One thing I know from flying 180 plus days a year and over 100,000 miles for over 20 years is all airlines are late from time to time. I've heard all the reasons and it's just part of flying on a commercial airline. The only thing I wanted was the cabin crew to be professional and courteous and the pilots to get me to the gate, not just walking distance. They always did that.

My favorite was the ol' PSA, but my mind may of been clouded by the ladies bringing me a soft drink. :-))

I'm sure Terry also has some ideas on this subject. :-)

the other bill


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421775 - 02/11/16 03:42 PM

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is all airlines are late from time to time




Never gonna forget that time when we were gonna start operating jets and Red Wallis sent me over across the airport to ask NWA's Flt. Ops. how they did something, jet-wise? Paul Soderlind asked me if I didn't know why they give airline's their names? I just shook my head "no'sir" and he told me "cuz they're all alike, that's why they give'em names so you can tell'em apart".

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421789 - 02/11/16 08:53 PM

Well, apparently I have all the luck. <~>

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Doug Ritter]
      #421793 - 02/11/16 10:14 PM

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Well, apparently I have all the luck. <~>




Nope, ridden jumpseats a lot and believe me, you're not alone.

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Mase Taylor
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Doug Ritter]
      #421794 - 02/11/16 11:17 PM

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Took 14 hours to get home from Minneapolis last week. Both times they lied about the cause, which was a mechanical, first one they blamed on ATC, second they blamed on late arriving crew.




All I'm gonna say is that in my 35 airline years, I, nor any of my people, never lied about the reason for a delay, although I have lost count of how many times were were accused of that. I am not saying it doesn't happen, just that I never saw it happen.

Root causes of delays can sometimes be very complex and multi-faceted and are reported to the DOT for their statistical data. Fudging the numbers could have bad consequences.

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #421796 - 02/12/16 12:22 AM

It was a dark and stormy night at O'Hare back in the 1970s, and I was the Lead Agent at Gate F-10. I made my third announcement regarding a delay due to ATC holding the inbound flight. A guy who may possibly have spent too much time at the bar came up and shouted, "You don't even know where your airplanes are!"

I had just been down to Ops where I heard the radio conversation with the inbound flight, so I told him, "Of Course I do. They are holding at 8500 feet over XYZ intersection."

"Oh, OK."

Like that told him anything useful. But at least it shut him up. <G>

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #421800 - 02/12/16 10:04 AM

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All I'm gonna say is that in my 35 airline years, I, nor any of my people, never lied about the reason for a delay, although I have lost count of how many times were were accused of that. I am not saying it doesn't happen, just that I never saw it happen......causes of delays can sometimes be very complex and multi-faceted




Ho-boy, concur - big time!!!!!!!!!! Thinking of the complexities of only a few weeks ago with that snowstorm on the east coast and airplanes/flights at LAX/SFO being affected. Impossible to 'splain to a layman, if they got it all straightened out in the following few days I think they were doing good!

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Mase Taylor]
      #421801 - 02/12/16 10:05 AM

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I had just been down to Ops where I heard the radio conversation with the inbound flight, so I told him, "Of Course I do. They are holding at 8500 feet over XYZ intersection."



That's funny... Now you could just pull out your smartphone and show him a/c on the map on the FlightAware app.

Here's an example of the complexity of a delay.

I was on a Anguilla, PR layover scheduled to fly a redeye back to EWR with a 0255 departure. The inbound airplane from EWR had some kind of mechanical problem (never found out what it was) which delayed the flight. Due to the 0210 scheduled start to the duty period our flight duty period (FDP) limit was 9:00 (new Part 117 rules).

Since a maintenance delay is somewhat unpredictable they don't know exactly when the flight will depart EWR for the 5 hour flight to BQN. With a 9:00 FDP limit we don't have a lot of flexibility as we're already schedule for a 5:00 FDP. Anything over a 4:00 delay and we're illegal.

They made the decision relatively early to delay our outbound flight so that they could reset our rest. They notified us of the change early enough that we could start a new rest period with a new report time of 0800, 0845 departure, which gave us a max FDP of 16:00.

The aircraft was fixed and arrived BQN around 0500 and sits there until we show up at 0800 for the 0845 departure.

What should be passengers be told?

It's delayed due to a late inbound aircraft? (But it's been sitting outside for hours!)
Crew rest? (But they've been here resting for over 24 hours!)
Maintenance? (I didn't see anybody working on the airplane!)

What's the "correct" delay code for the flight?


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421802 - 02/12/16 10:10 AM

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What's the "correct" delay code for the flight?




Concur! That's why we collectively intone - "G-e-e-z, it's sure good to be retired".

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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421803 - 02/12/16 10:54 AM

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What's the "correct" delay code for the flight?




The real reason, "Crew Rest". The passengers have no idea when you arrived.

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421805 - 02/12/16 11:25 AM

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The real reason, "Crew Rest". The passengers have no idea when you arrived.



Well, when my airline has only one flight in/out per day it's not too hard to figure out when we arrived.

I say the delay is due to Mx. If the inbound aircraft had not had the extended Mx delay then my flight would have operated on time. The delay was extended due to crew rest but that wasn't the cause of the delay.

On the plus side, we were much better rested than we would have been for the red eye. No matter how you try, you're never 100% for a 0255 departure. Plus, had a nice breakfast at the hotel. LOL


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421809 - 02/12/16 02:09 PM

Larry,

As I've said I've heard all the seasons and the flight ain't leav'n until it's leav'n. I just want the FAs to be professional and courteous, and the pilots to get me to the gate at my destination, not just walking distance. :-))

the other bill

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Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421813 - 02/12/16 04:54 PM

I'm fine with the truth. I do remember United from a LONG time ago as
otherwise. In the space of a few days back in the mid 60s, I had flights on
three different United DC-8s. Each one was delayed due to a "voltage
regulator". One "voltage regulator" was a circuit board about the size of a
PC motherboard in the cockpit. Another was in the #3 engine pod. The third
was in the baggage compartment just aft of the wings.

No delay was overly long and, for me, no connecting flights were involved, so
no big deal, but the "voltage regulator" story wore kinda thin.

Since then, on other airlines, "truthiness" has varied a good bit, from
excellent on Lufthansa to abysmal on Iberia. Re the latter, I think the
leading "S" fell off the airline's logo.

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421815 - 02/12/16 08:20 PM

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Each one was delayed due to a "voltage regulator". One "voltage regulator" was a circuit board about the size of a PC motherboard in the cockpit. Another was in the #3 engine pod. The third was in the baggage compartment just aft of the wings.



I flew the DC8 and I don't know what they were talking about. The generator control unit was in the cockpit plus lots of relays (ca-thunk, ca-thunk). Never saw anything that looked like a PC mobo. Generators and constant-speed drives are in the engine nacelles. Can't think of anything electrical in the aft baggage. All of that stuff should be forward of the forward cargo. The DC8 required frequent replacement of all sorts of parts. Very mechanical airplane. Relays, cables, pulleys, hydraulics, pneumatics, etc. If there wasn't a mechanic at both ends of a flight we'd carry one with us.

You certainly have to simplify in PA announcements. Trying to explain the detail will make you sound like an idiot, will confuse most passengers, and will terrify some of them.


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421816 - 02/12/16 08:26 PM

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Generators and constant-speed drives are in the engine nacelles.



I love constant-speed drives. They have the kludgey complexity of a steam locomotive...;-)

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421817 - 02/12/16 08:26 PM

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As I've said I've heard all the seasons and the flight ain't leav'n until it's leav'n. I just want the FAs to be professional and courteous, and the pilots to get me to the gate at my destination, not just walking distance. :-))



That's the attitude that I try to maintain while traveling. My personal expectation is to arrive at my final destination within one hour of the scheduled time. I am rarely disappointed.

It's easy to get worked up over potential problems during the process but things seem to have a way of working themselves out.


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Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421820 - 02/12/16 09:42 PM

On departure from FRA on LH one day, the plane hit the unmistakable
WHAM!WHAM! of crossing another airplane's wake. It was surprisingly strong,
strong enough to upset at least a few pax. We were in clouds, so there were
no external clues.

While I was explaining wake turbulence to the stranger in the next seat, a
flight attendant came on the PA with a short and simple but correct
explanation in English, followed by assurance about the strength of the
airframe. He then repeated the whole thing accurately in German.

The pax seemed to be OK with that, especially since it didn't repeat. (We
were well outside the crowded FRA terminal airspace by then.)

Truth can work well and is the easiest story to keep straight.

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Randy Sohn
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421822 - 02/12/16 11:35 PM

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Truth can work well




Ray, HEAVY on that "can", sometimes yes and sometimes no, I've had exactly the opposite with a Japanese F/A interpreter on the 74.

best, randy


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Ray Tackett
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Extra Training Day at United [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #421825 - 02/13/16 05:09 AM

Randy,

>>> ... the opposite with a Japanese F/A interpreter ...

http://www.engrish.com/

They post a new example every morning at 0700 Eastern time. They don't throw
anything away. The categories on the left sidebar can be a time sink.



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Ralph Jones
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421829 - 02/13/16 10:07 AM

...and there's a new URL for my browser toolbar <g>.

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Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #421849 - 02/13/16 08:09 PM

Hard to get stable AC without one.

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Doug Ritter]
      #421864 - 02/14/16 06:56 AM

Quote:

Might do better to train their other employees and maintenance personnel. As a United platinum flyer, I am beginning to consider switching airlines. At least half my flights in the last couple months have been late or totally screwed up. Took 20 hours to get home from Louisville, via Dulles in the end. Took 14 hours to get home from Minneapolis last week. Both times they lied about the cause, which was a mechanical, first one they blamed on ATC, second they blamed on late arriving crew. I could go on ad nauseam. Late is bad, but late and screwing up connections is worse. And, pretty much nobody at United seems to give a damn. Despite filling out negative responses to email surveys that conveniently are never for the flights that are directly screwed up and inviting them to contact me, never happens. Tried emailing, just get a boilerplate response. If their goal is to chase away good customers, they are succeeding.




In Dec, flight out of CDG on United ended delayed 3 hours. AFTER we pushed. First problem, maintenance paperwork. Second, computer would not accept maintenance sign off, so had to get paper. Parked, then the APU started acting up. Which caused more maintenance and more delays with maintenance paperwork.

BUT, the crew was good about keeping us informed about what was going on.

But, they told use to go on to their site for getting compensated for the delay, but the site denied any problems with that flight.

So I sent a contact email about the issue, and it took almost 3 WEEKS for a reply. They did give me a coupon.

But overall, United is not as good as United or Continental was before the merger.

And the web site sucks. I have tried to book flights twice on their website and both times, I had to end up calling and spending an extended time to get the flights booked.

The last time, the one set of flights I was trying to book, totally disappeared from the options.

I have NOT been happy with United since the merger.

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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #421907 - 02/15/16 04:50 PM

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beginning to consider switching airlines




Chris Manno just E-mailed me his latest column, like Paul Soderlind told me once, "Randy, the reason they give airlines their names is so you can tell'em apart cuz we're all alike".

best, randy


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #421912 - 02/15/16 06:25 PM

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Chris Manno just E-mailed me his latest column



I just read his last two columns. Is it just me or does he sound like he needs a vacation?


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421919 - 02/15/16 08:11 PM

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Is it just me or does he sound like he needs a vacation?




Chuckle, from the airline or from the University <g>? Dunno, I liked the one about that business guy blocking his exit who wanted to know about the WX in SFO? Like Junior, I've sure also had a lot of "voices in my head". I'm thinking now of that guy who accosted me once when I was standing across from the baggage claim area and asked me "where's the baggge claim"?. I also kept that voice inside while cocking a glance upwards over my shoulder at the BAGGAGE CLAIM sign above us and answered "unh, right there to your left, Sir".

best, randy


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421920 - 02/15/16 08:12 PM

Larry,

Slightly off subject, have you been flying any of the MSLP trips?

the other bill


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421921 - 02/15/16 08:25 PM

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Slightly off subject, have you been flying any of the MSLP trips?



Looks like I was there once in June and once in July.


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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Terry Carraway]
      #422255 - 02/25/16 07:56 PM

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I have NOT been happy with United since the merger.



+1

My flights last Fri/this Mon to/from Little Rock. 4 segments, 1 1:20 late, 1 30 minutes late. And some folks wonder why I never book a connecting flight for less than 1:30. Apparently I am still lucky... :-(

We'll see what next week brings. $1,350 RT cheapest fare I could get 5 days out and not a middle seat... Capitalism at its finest, suppose I can't complain about that.

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