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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421803 - 02/12/16 10:54 AM

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What's the "correct" delay code for the flight?




The real reason, "Crew Rest". The passengers have no idea when you arrived.

the other bill


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421805 - 02/12/16 11:25 AM

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The real reason, "Crew Rest". The passengers have no idea when you arrived.



Well, when my airline has only one flight in/out per day it's not too hard to figure out when we arrived.

I say the delay is due to Mx. If the inbound aircraft had not had the extended Mx delay then my flight would have operated on time. The delay was extended due to crew rest but that wasn't the cause of the delay.

On the plus side, we were much better rested than we would have been for the red eye. No matter how you try, you're never 100% for a 0255 departure. Plus, had a nice breakfast at the hotel. LOL


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421809 - 02/12/16 02:09 PM

Larry,

As I've said I've heard all the seasons and the flight ain't leav'n until it's leav'n. I just want the FAs to be professional and courteous, and the pilots to get me to the gate at my destination, not just walking distance. :-))

the other bill

Edited by Bill Bridges - T47 (02/12/16 02:11 PM)


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Ray Tackett
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Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421813 - 02/12/16 04:54 PM

I'm fine with the truth. I do remember United from a LONG time ago as
otherwise. In the space of a few days back in the mid 60s, I had flights on
three different United DC-8s. Each one was delayed due to a "voltage
regulator". One "voltage regulator" was a circuit board about the size of a
PC motherboard in the cockpit. Another was in the #3 engine pod. The third
was in the baggage compartment just aft of the wings.

No delay was overly long and, for me, no connecting flights were involved, so
no big deal, but the "voltage regulator" story wore kinda thin.

Since then, on other airlines, "truthiness" has varied a good bit, from
excellent on Lufthansa to abysmal on Iberia. Re the latter, I think the
leading "S" fell off the airline's logo.

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421815 - 02/12/16 08:20 PM

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Each one was delayed due to a "voltage regulator". One "voltage regulator" was a circuit board about the size of a PC motherboard in the cockpit. Another was in the #3 engine pod. The third was in the baggage compartment just aft of the wings.



I flew the DC8 and I don't know what they were talking about. The generator control unit was in the cockpit plus lots of relays (ca-thunk, ca-thunk). Never saw anything that looked like a PC mobo. Generators and constant-speed drives are in the engine nacelles. Can't think of anything electrical in the aft baggage. All of that stuff should be forward of the forward cargo. The DC8 required frequent replacement of all sorts of parts. Very mechanical airplane. Relays, cables, pulleys, hydraulics, pneumatics, etc. If there wasn't a mechanic at both ends of a flight we'd carry one with us.

You certainly have to simplify in PA announcements. Trying to explain the detail will make you sound like an idiot, will confuse most passengers, and will terrify some of them.


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421816 - 02/12/16 08:26 PM

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Generators and constant-speed drives are in the engine nacelles.



I love constant-speed drives. They have the kludgey complexity of a steam locomotive...;-)

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #421817 - 02/12/16 08:26 PM

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As I've said I've heard all the seasons and the flight ain't leav'n until it's leav'n. I just want the FAs to be professional and courteous, and the pilots to get me to the gate at my destination, not just walking distance. :-))



That's the attitude that I try to maintain while traveling. My personal expectation is to arrive at my final destination within one hour of the scheduled time. I am rarely disappointed.

It's easy to get worked up over potential problems during the process but things seem to have a way of working themselves out.


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Ray Tackett
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Extra Training Day at United [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #421820 - 02/12/16 09:42 PM

On departure from FRA on LH one day, the plane hit the unmistakable
WHAM!WHAM! of crossing another airplane's wake. It was surprisingly strong,
strong enough to upset at least a few pax. We were in clouds, so there were
no external clues.

While I was explaining wake turbulence to the stranger in the next seat, a
flight attendant came on the PA with a short and simple but correct
explanation in English, followed by assurance about the strength of the
airframe. He then repeated the whole thing accurately in German.

The pax seemed to be OK with that, especially since it didn't repeat. (We
were well outside the crowded FRA terminal airspace by then.)

Truth can work well and is the easiest story to keep straight.

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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

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Randy Sohn
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Loc: Savage, MN - U.S.A.
Re: Extra Training Day at United [Re: Ray Tackett]
      #421822 - 02/12/16 11:35 PM

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Truth can work well




Ray, HEAVY on that "can", sometimes yes and sometimes no, I've had exactly the opposite with a Japanese F/A interpreter on the 74.

best, randy


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Ray Tackett
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Extra Training Day at United [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #421825 - 02/13/16 05:09 AM

Randy,

>>> ... the opposite with a Japanese F/A interpreter ...

http://www.engrish.com/

They post a new example every morning at 0700 Eastern time. They don't throw
anything away. The categories on the left sidebar can be a time sink.



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Ray,

Owner, Lake Wood Be Gone

Turning quality lumber into sawdust and noise since 2013.


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