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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #417610 - 11/07/15 09:15 AM

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the military receivers being able to hear both the assigned discrete UHF freq and 243.0 simultaneously




Concur, the 18+G position.

best, randy


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #417615 - 11/07/15 10:30 AM

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Concur, the 18+G position.

best, randy




We had a selector also that allowed normal freq or normal + guard which is where we normally kept it. Of course, in RVN, we had Chicken Man come up on guard each morning and do a check :). Kinna funny to be winging one's way out to the combat AO in the morning with it still and quiet and hear his distinctive voice come on.


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #417619 - 11/07/15 11:58 AM

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The term "guard" comes from the military receivers being able to hear both the assigned discrete UHF freq and 243.0 simultaneously. Over the decades, untold "wannabe"s and the ill-informed have smeared the concept to include the discrete simplex civil emergency frequency, 121.5.



You don't try to explain that on 121.5 when someone calls it "guard", do you? LOL


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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #417620 - 11/07/15 12:00 PM

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(My current copilot uses that phrase....aaauurrgh.)



Did you show him in the AIM where it specifically says NOT to do that?


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: Jeff Hartmann CIC]
      #417621 - 11/07/15 12:22 PM

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More likely from the younger crowd....they scream GUARD, followed by, " any traffic in the area please advise"

(My current copilot uses that phrase....aaauurrgh.)




Moody Blues fan? Change to "Is there anybody out there" :)


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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: sreyoB yrraL]
      #417623 - 11/07/15 12:39 PM

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You don't try to explain that on 121.5 when someone calls it "guard", do you? LOL




No, but I regard 121.5 as pretty useless anyway. It is available at relatively few locations, and poorly monitored. If I have an emergency, I'm gonna announce it on an air traffic frequency which I know to be in use and populated.

The last thing I want is a bunch of "saviors" who don't know where I am or how to provide meaningful assistance all blocking each other and me in their rush to be heroic.

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"Why not be a nihilist? A man has to believe in something."
-Bernie Gunther

Edited by B. Butler (Oregonian) (11/07/15 12:41 PM)


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Dave Siciliano (ADS)
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #417626 - 11/07/15 03:14 PM

Actually, I've heard a couple very effective efforts on 121.5 to assist someone in trouble and radio discipline was good. Not saying I'd get off the control freq, but if having trouble there, I'd sure try 121.5 AKA the airline on incorrect frequency channel :)

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Randy Sohn
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: Dave Siciliano (ADS)]
      #417628 - 11/07/15 03:53 PM

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[We had a selector also that allowed normal freq or normal + guard




Yup, that was the same UHF selector that i was talkin' 'bout, 18 or 18+G.

best, randy


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: Randy Sohn]
      #417639 - 11/07/15 08:49 PM Attachment (132 downloads)

Here you go Randy :-))



To transmit (1) PRESET CHAN(nel), MAN(ual), and GD XMIT (guard tranmit)
To receive (3) Off, T/R, T/R +G(uard), ADF

the other bill

Edited by Bill Bridges - T47 (11/07/15 09:20 PM)


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: The Guard Police [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #417640 - 11/07/15 08:54 PM Attachment (129 downloads)

The infamous FM and KY28 which was used to talk to the folks on the ground.



You always want a Green Light (5), not a Red Light (4). :-))

When using the Kentucky 28 it had a very definite side-tone to know you were transmitting in the secure mode.

The codes were changed every night.

the other bill

Edited by Bill Bridges - T47 (11/07/15 09:19 PM)


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