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John Cooper [KAVL]
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AA 62 Terrorist Probe?
      #146007 - 03/05/07 03:38 PM

Has anyone heard about this? The following was an E-mail from a member of the crew (probably). Information in brackets added by the website. From The Aviation Nation:
    Flt 62, Paris to MIA [Miami], a few weeks ago. 2 maybe 4 mid-eastern types causing minor disturbance from the get-go. Nothing that the FAs [flight attendants] couldn’t deal with, but, in hindsight, they seemed to be pushing the envelope. Cross-cabin activity, hanging out in the forward galley, complaining about everything, etc. Mid-Atlantic, the FO [First Officer, or Co-Pilot] called to return to the cockpit after his crew-rest break. One of the perps [perpetrators] was in the forward galley, was instructed by a FA to go aft, but didn’t. As the cockpit door opened, another perp suddenly appeared from around the galley, dropped his shoulder into FO while the first one got in the way of the FO’s attempt to block the other…here I’m not certain…so….wait for the movie.

    FO (one of our first FFDO’s [Federal Flight Deck Officers*]) was about to pull his flashlight to use as a weapon in a counter attack, but thought better of it not knowing how many more perps he might have to fight, called “lockdown” to the FB [secondary “B” First Officer], inside the cockpit, who slammed the door. As soon as the perps heard the word lockdown, they retreated to their seats.
    ...
    Crew considered divert, but since the threat diminished and seemed to be contained, they pressed on towards MIA. Flight was met in MIA by FBI, FAMS [Federal Air Marshal Service] (none aboard, by the way), AA [American Airlines] Security suits, etc. During the de-brief, which lasted several hours, the FAMs told the pilots that they would have “dropped” both of the perps with the first shove near the cockpit door. Perps claimed to not understand English, were detained for 4 days and deported, back to Paris...
Addenum: It could have been AA 63 - the original article used both numbers.

Addenum #2: Is it true that FFDOs are forbidden to carry firearms on international flights?

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Edited by John Cooper [KAVL] (03/05/07 03:42 PM)


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Russell Holton
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #146552 - 03/09/07 12:33 AM

Maybe this might be a terrorist probe too?

Yeah, people can be strange. But this is just too strange.


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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: Russell Holton]
      #146555 - 03/09/07 01:51 AM

Quote:

Maybe this might be a terrorist probe too?

Yeah, people can be strange. But this is just too strange.




EEEEUUUUWWWWW!!

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Ralph Jones
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: Russell Holton]
      #146582 - 03/09/07 09:52 AM

All right, everybody freeze. I've got a magnet up my *** and I'm not afraid to use it!!!

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Anne Umphrey (KBED)
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: Russell Holton]
      #146635 - 03/09/07 03:19 PM

Why?

As a defense against alien mind probes?

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John Cooper [KAVL]
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: Russell Holton]
      #146646 - 03/09/07 06:06 PM

Hope he used his left hand...

My only three comments are 1. The news media identified the FOIR as a "rock", which I thought was curious since a rock wouldn't set off a metal detector.

2. The media concluded the man was crazy - something not necessarily true.

3. There have been a number of Middle Eastern types doing strange things on airliners lately - the "Flying Imams" come to mind, as well as these latest incidents.

My conclusion is that they are testing our defenses...or maybe just f***ing with us...or both.

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Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #146650 - 03/09/07 06:31 PM

John,

<<Flight was met in MIA by FBI, FAMS [Federal Air Marshal Service] (none aboard, by the way), >>

That surprises me. I would think that flight would always have FAMS on board.

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sreyoB yrraL
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: Robert Mann [HPN-NY]]
      #146660 - 03/09/07 07:34 PM

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I would think that flight would always have FAMS on board.




If everyone thinks that there are FAMS on board then there's no reason to have FAMS on board.


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Russell Holton
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #146667 - 03/09/07 08:34 PM

Quote:

My conclusion is that they are testing our defenses...or maybe just f***ing with us...or both.




I think so too. They might be a lot of things, but I don't think stupid is one of them. They've got some kind of a plan.


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Andrew Niemyer -KDLH
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Re: AA 62 Terrorist Probe? [Re: Russell Holton]
      #146823 - 03/11/07 09:27 AM

Quote:

Quote:

My conclusion is that they are testing our defenses...or maybe just f***ing with us...or both.




I think so too. They might be a lot of things, but I don't think stupid is one of them. They've got some kind of a plan.




It's called "Tickling the system" in the trade. Just like sending a patrol out not to accomplish much other than to see what kind of response happens and how it happens.

Don't ask how I know all this. <VVBG>

Best regards,
Andy


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