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John Cooper [KAVL]
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Fake boarding pass generator
      #131467 - 10/28/06 01:52 AM

The fake boarding pass generator
    Security researcher Christopher Soghoian created the Northwest Airline Boarding Pass Generator in the hope of spurring Congress to look closely at the nation's aviation security policies, which he calls "security theater."

    The site lets anyone create a facsimile of a Northwest Airlines boarding pass, with whatever name they choose.

    On Friday, Congress heard Soghoian's message loud and clear. But instead of promising to reform broken airport security procedures, Rep. Edward Markey (D- Massachusetts), a member of the House Homeland Security committee known for his defenses of privacy, wants the site shut down and Soghoian arrested.


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John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #131501 - 10/28/06 08:26 AM

I read about that last night. Apparently "the authorities" said he won't be arrested, but the boarding pass generator has been taken down.

I live close to the MSP airport. In the dead of winter, my wife and I used to walk through the airport for a change of pace. I've often wondered if there was a valid way to get through security just to walk around like we used to. I also used to go to the airport to meet friends at the various airline clubs, but that too has stopped.

John


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Dan Barclay [ORG]
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Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #131510 - 10/28/06 10:19 AM

>> I also used to go to the airport to meet friends at the various airline
>> clubs, but that too has stopped.

Not a problem. Go to an airline rep and ask for a security pass. You'll
need to show your club card and the pass is only to go where it says to go.

If they write the pass only to go to the club, that's all it's good for so
don't go walkabout in the airport. If it's just a pass through security,
have at it (but don't do nuthin stupid).

Dan


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Doug Ritter
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #131518 - 10/28/06 11:20 AM

On two occasions when I've needed to for various reasons, I just bought a fully refundable ticket and then got the money back. Seemed like it was going to be lots quicker and simpler than dealing with getting a "pass."

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John Cooper [KAVL]
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Dan Barclay [ORG]]
      #131533 - 10/28/06 12:27 PM

I tried to get through security with my pilot's license once. They just laughed.

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J. Wiley
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #131542 - 10/28/06 02:07 PM

Quote:

On Friday, Congress heard Soghoian's message loud and clear. But instead of promising to reform broken airport security procedures, Rep. Edward Markey (D- Massachusetts), a member of the House Homeland Security committee known for his defenses of privacy, wants the site shut down and Soghoian arrested.[/LIST]




Markey has never shown himself to be a bright bulb in the chandelier however.


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John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #131568 - 10/28/06 06:08 PM

Quote:

Apparently "the authorities" said he won't be arrested, but the boarding pass generator has been taken down.





Hmm... Now it seems the FBI seized his computers last night, so perhaps the TSA will "make an example" of him...

http://slightparanoia.blogspot.com/


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John Clark (SBA)
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]]
      #131616 - 10/29/06 10:24 AM

"so perhaps the TSA will "make an example" of him..."

There is a line between proving a point and breaking the law. Like many before him, I think this lad crossed the line. Some years ago, pre TSA, a news crew decided "to make a point" at my home airport. Ther climbed a fence and entered the air carrier ramp. Promptly arrested, they pleaded "making a point." Didn't work.

I could show the press a lot of weak spots in security systems, but I'm not going to. I will, however, report problems to the proper authorities.


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John Clark (SBA)]
      #131618 - 10/29/06 10:42 AM

Scary Mary comes to mind...

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John Cooper [KAVL]
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131677 - 10/30/06 07:43 AM

On a related theme, I was just at Lowe's and got to talking with the sales clerk. He told me that they now keep their cash-register tape under lock and key.

Apparently, someone stole a bunch of it and used his home computer to print bogus Lowe's receipts which he used to get refunds for things he never bought. I don't quite get how that worked, but apparently he was into Lowe's for a quarter million dollars.

Lowe's now demands your home telephone number for cash purchases - just one more reason not to shop there.

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J. Wiley
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #131738 - 10/30/06 04:59 PM

Quote:

Lowe's now demands your home telephone number for cash purchases - just one more reason not to shop there.




I never give a phone number. If they require it, I just walk out.

Funny thing is people complain about 'government surveillance' and yet they give out information to every store they shop at and every doctor/hospital they unthinkingly give their SSN.

Perception.. impression.


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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131740 - 10/30/06 05:09 PM

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... and yet they give out information to every store they shop at ...




I recently bought an air compressor at Home Despot. They looked at me like I had two heads when I turned down applying for one of their house credit cards even thought that would have cut the price of the purchase by 10% (not insubstantial for an 80 gal, 175psi compressor).

Didn't seem to understand that someone can have enough credit already (and more importantly, I don't want yet another company peddling my financial info to the masses).

- TT

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Edited by Tom Tyson [KGSO] (10/30/06 05:11 PM)


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Russell Holton
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131741 - 10/30/06 05:16 PM

>>> I never give a phone number. If they require it, I just walk out. <<<


555-1212 <g>


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Ralph Jones
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131743 - 10/30/06 05:20 PM

Quote:

I never give a phone number. If they require it, I just walk out.




Why be inconvenienced? I just give 'em a bogus one.

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Stephanie Belser-2
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Fake boarding pass generator [Re: J. Wiley]
      #131758 - 10/31/06 02:03 AM

>I never give a phone number. If they require it, I just walk out. <

I just give them the number from a rock song: 627-5309. <g>

Stephanie

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J. Wiley
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Russell Holton]
      #131764 - 10/31/06 03:33 AM

Quote:

>>> I never give a phone number. If they require it, I just walk out. <<<


555-1212 <g>




Not a bad idea but it doesn't address the invasive request.


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J. Wiley
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Ralph Jones]
      #131766 - 10/31/06 03:35 AM

Quote:

Why be inconvenienced? I just give 'em a bogus one.




Confronting them with the loss of A customer is probably not going to get them to change their policy but neither is mendacity.


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Dave Churchill
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #131789 - 10/31/06 07:04 AM

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... just give them the number from a rock song: 627-5309.




All these years, I thought it was *8*27-5309.

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Chad Kintz
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Dave Churchill]
      #131800 - 10/31/06 07:50 AM

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All these years, I thought it was *8*27-5309.




Um, it's "867-5309." :-)

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Russell Holton
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Chad Kintz]
      #131852 - 10/31/06 11:41 AM

Quote:

Quote:

All these years, I thought it was *8*27-5309.




Um, it's "867-5309." :-)




Right you are Link


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Stephanie Belser-2
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Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Dave Churchill]
      #131879 - 10/31/06 02:49 PM

>All these years, I thought it was *8*27-5309.<

I think you're right (and so are the bazillion others who undoubtedly have
called me to task on it. Given how this day has gone, the fact that I didn't
get myself killed driving home is a small wonder).

How about 205-0624? <g>

Stephanie

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Sean Franklin
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #131893 - 10/31/06 04:20 PM

Quote:

How about 205-0624? <g>



Only in Chicago... :-)

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Scott Voigt retired controller
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: John Cooper [KAVL]]
      #131992 - 11/01/06 12:47 PM

I tell them my work number is 911 <G>, all other numbers are restricted... I normally get an "oh, ok.."

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John Cooper [KAVL]
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Scott Voigt retired controller]
      #132022 - 11/01/06 03:10 PM

You guys have inspired me. In the future, I'm going to give them 202-456-1414

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Jim Tavenner
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #132043 - 11/01/06 04:35 PM

Quote:

>All these years, I thought it was *8*27-5309.<
How about 205-0624? <g>

Stephanie




How about Pennsylvania 6 - 5000? (That's Pennsylvania six -five oh-oh-oh!)

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Ward Miller POU-NY
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Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #132084 - 11/02/06 01:37 AM

>> How about Pennsylvania 6 - 5000? <<

Jim, I was going to suggest that, but figured no one here would understand?
<g>

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Scott Voigt retired controller
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Ward Miller POU-NY]
      #132129 - 11/02/06 06:26 AM

Hey I not only understand it, I got the movie <G>...

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Stephanie Belser-2
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Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Jim Tavenner]
      #132223 - 11/02/06 04:44 PM

>How about Pennsylvania 6 - 5000? (That's Pennsylvania six -five oh-oh-oh!)<

Care to guess how manu checkout clerks are going to know that PE6-5000 is a
phone number?

Stephanie

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Mase Taylor
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Re: Fake boarding pass generator [Re: Stephanie Belser-2]
      #132224 - 11/02/06 04:51 PM

As it happens I am burning a vinyl album to CD tonight. Glenn Miller. It's on there......

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