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Tom Tyson [SUW]
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Battle of Midway
      #391620 - 06/04/14 07:16 PM

June 4 - 7, 1942

Well done, gentlemen

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Ralph Jones
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #391622 - 06/04/14 07:54 PM

D'accord.

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Frank Van Haste [VKX]
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: Tom Tyson [SUW]]
      #391658 - 06/05/14 10:10 AM

Tom, let me again take the opportunity to recommend Shattered Sword by Parshall and Tully to any that haven't read it. The authors went back to primary Japanese sources to describe just how bad a day the kido butai had -- and why.

Interesting point: Midway was the first time the IJN carrier pilots had run into the Dauntless. More than a couple of them had a nasty and terminal surprise when they found out that the aft ends of those blue airplanes would bite.

Frank


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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: Frank Van Haste [VKX]]
      #391670 - 06/05/14 12:00 PM

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Tom, let me again take the opportunity to recommend Shattered Sword

Frank




Thanks, Amazon says I'll have it day-after-tomorrow.

Bill

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Frank Van Haste [VKX]
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #391756 - 06/06/14 07:53 PM

I look forward to your thoughts after you've read it, Bill.

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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: Frank Van Haste [VKX]]
      #395029 - 08/09/14 10:37 PM Attachment (194 downloads)

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I look forward to your thoughts after you've read it, Bill.




Truly an exhaustive treatment of the subject; 613 pages, including 11 appendices, 45 pages of endnotes and a nine page "selected" bibliography.

Scholarly without being tedious, the book held me from end-to-end, despite the fact that it was covering a story I thought I knew a lot about.

Without diminishing the significance of the battle, they prove pretty conclusively that it wasn't the near-run thing that has been previously portrayed. They show that the Japanese were profoundly wrong on the psychological, governmental, strategic, tactical and operational level, each of these flaws contributing to the outcome.

Everyone knows the story of the cruiserTone's floatplane's delayed and ambiguous contact report, but this is the first time I've seen anyone question the fact that the Japanese carriers had no assets devoted to reconnaissance, and relied on the meager aircraft of the surface fleet to do their scouting.

They devote an epilogue to debunking the common Western understanding of the battle which they assert is rooted in everyone using Mitsuo Fuchida as a primary source, despite proven inaccuracies and outright lies contained in his best-selling account of events. Fuchida, for example is the source for the common understanding that the Japanese were just moments from launching a strike when the American dive-bombers finally found them, which was patently untrue--if you look at the strike photos of the Japanese carriers, there are no aircraft nor wreckage on deck in any of them.



One of the things which was completely new information to me was the architectural short comings of the the Japanese carriers and the resulting slow operational cycle. Doctrine required all refueling and re-arming be carried out on the hangar deck (decks, actually, Akagi and Kaga had three, with resulting long and slow elevator runs.)

There's so much more, but y'all are going to have to read it for yourselves.

Edited by B. Butler (Oregonian) (08/09/14 10:46 PM)


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Mase Taylor
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #395036 - 08/09/14 11:44 PM

Well, now you went and done it. I'm gonna have to order the book.

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Frank Van Haste [VKX]
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #395051 - 08/10/14 10:51 AM

Bill, that's an excellent review with which I concur in toto. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

Frank


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Bill Bridges - 9S1
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: B. Butler (Oregonian)]
      #395053 - 08/10/14 11:24 AM

Billprime,

Slightly off subject, but did you ever get to read Fortunate Son?

the other bill


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B. Butler (Oregonian)
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Re: Battle of Midway [Re: Bill Bridges - 9S1]
      #395054 - 08/10/14 11:26 AM

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Billprime,

Slightly off subject, but did you ever get to read Fortunate Son?

the other bill




Not yet. I'm on the library request list for it, but I suspect it has "wandered away" even though it is still in the catalog.

I'll pick one up at ABE and let you know. Thanx for the reminder.

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