Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
12/27/16 04:01 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Hi all,
Wife Melody says go for it! So . . . Iím officially looking for a J-3 to purchase. Havenít flown since several years before retirement in 2012. Long time ago flew lots of tailwheels including several Cubs. Now my only flying desire is to revert back to some quality time in a J-3.
Looking to see if anything jumps out at me in any of the usual places like T-A-P or Barnstormers. At this point I just want to fly and not get involved in rebuilding an airplane so my Preferences are:
* Relatively recent fabric.
* Good airframe.
* Low time on C-85 or 90.
* Legal paperwork.
* Doesnít need to be an award winner, just yellow with a black lighting stripe<grin>.
* Oh . . . and hopefully located not too far from my home in central Florida.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


nehoC hctiM
(Top Gun)
12/29/16 12:05 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I'll post this on fb among my aviation buds.

See if I get a nibble.

Mitch


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
12/29/16 04:57 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom C:

If y6ou do find one near your Florida abode I'm sure you'll check carefully for corrosion. I flew a Super Cub for a few hours and then we found corrosion all over.
BTW--I am jealous!

Ralph H


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
12/29/16 07:10 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Thanks Mitch.

Tom C.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
12/29/16 07:26 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

find one near your Florida abode I'm sure you'll check carefully for corrosion.


Hi Ralph,
Hmm . . . 70 year old airplane? Thinkín corrosion might be a factor no matter where from<grin>?

Quote:

BTW--I am jealous!



Donít be jealous just yet. Still got lotsía hoops to jump through. Stick n rudder skills likely not a problem however itís been about ten years since I acted as PIC.

Got to find some hapless flight instructor to do me a flight review. I do AOPA FIRCs every two years but Iíve forgotten so much.
Ha . . . last time I flew we still had actual FAA Flight Service Stations. Seems I heard things are different now<grin>?

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
12/29/16 09:50 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom -- Look up Paul Bertorelli for some brush up training. He's got a J3 over there by Naples, or Venice, or some ferrign sounding place on the West Coast. I can ship his email to you separately, if you'd like it for use now or later.

nehoC hctiM
(Top Gun)
12/30/16 01:40 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Another busy cub instructor, owns her own is Sarah Rovner.
Can locate her on Facebook, she's a friend of mine. She does ferry work plus now instructs in the CRJ sim after over a year on that bird.
Probably find her info at Full Throttle Aviation.
Mitch


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
12/30/16 03:16 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Tom -- Look up Paul Bertorelli for some brush up training. He's got a J3 over there by Naples, or Venice, or some ferrign sounding place on the West Coast. I can ship his email to you separately, if you'd like it for use now or later.


Hi Scott,
Got a fair amount of time in various Cubs but last I flew one about 44 years ago. Ya send me Bertorelliís email. Pretty sure he has a Cub at Venice which is only a one hour drive south of me. Hmm . . . wonder if Paul is a CFI and does flight reviews?

Send to avi8tor.tom Ėput the at symbol here- gmail.com
Or
Back channel here at avsig.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
12/31/16 12:02 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom - -Paul is a former Avsigger, CFI/I, former editor of IFR, now head of aviation publications for Belvoir/Avweb. He even survived giving me transition training on V-tails and some IPCs along the way. Email address will come separately.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
12/31/16 08:39 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Email address will come separately.


Hi Scott,
Got it. Thanks!
Hope youíre surviving the seasonal cool weather.

At some point Iíll likely give Paul B. a shout. Lots of research to do before pulling the trigger on a J-3 purchase. Compiling a list of features, upgrades, modifications and which are must have Ėv- like to have. Havenít even inquired about insurance yet. Step by step.

Regards,
Tom Charlton (whos looking for his lost shaker of salt . . . er . . . most recent log book)


Andrew Niemyer -KDLH
(Top Gun)
12/31/16 09:09 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom,
Let me throw in a "drive by" here to make your life either more complicated or simpler: Take a look at the Legend Cub LSA's. Think of them as "J-3's, only safer and more modern." By "more modern," I mean made on the line with a lot of the features you may probably want and with modern manufacturing techniques that make them less prone to the issues that a 70-year old airframe might demand if you. Plus, like the early J-3's can now be, they're LSA, which means a lot of the usual hurdles are not there.

Just a thought. I've seen some gorgeously restored J-3's that cost more than a used Legend. Just saying. ;)

Best,
Andy


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
12/31/16 12:12 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Interesting thought. Carbon Cub too.

Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
12/31/16 12:45 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Carbon Cub too.



Nice looking airplane, if a bit pricey. I'm working on a 90" RC model of it right now.


Rod Madsen (RDU)
(AVSIG Member)
12/31/16 01:29 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:


I'm working on a 90" RC model of it right now.


90"...Holy cow! You could almost get in that thing,

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/01/17 01:35 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Let me throw in a "drive by" here


Hi Andy,
Yup, Legend Cub, Carbon Cub . . . Just so itís yellow with a black lightning stripe<grin>. Actually I would consider those also. However I suspect my best value (ok least cost) will be a well restored original J-3. Got some due diligence to do.

One big issue here is there are just Ėno- hangars open in the area right now. Likely need to start with an open air covered shelter and get on several hangar list.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/01/17 11:24 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Just so itís yellow with a black lightning stripe<grin>




So true, also wood spar V/S metal spar. Mine's a 39 woodspar. Lightweight elgible also and if you need a copy of the Reed "clipped wing" I have that engineering drawing (altered struts, door, etc).

best, randy


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/01/17 01:38 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Mine's a 39 woodspar


Hi Randy,
Didnít know you had a Cub.
Ya wood/metal either is fine by me although think Iíll lean toward metal.

Quote:

Reed "clipped wing"



Flew one, one time, many moons ago. Bit higher stall speed but would be fun to have one for some very limited, old man style, (+g) Scare-o-baticsĒ

Hijacking my own thread:
Flew the Reed "clipped wing" with long gone friend, Emerson Avery. Em had flown for a time with the Cole Brothers Air Shows then instructed at what was the Bartow Army/Air Base. Em is the one whoíd checked me out in the Stearman and also did my seaplane training. Think it was the early days of the ďBiennial Flight ReviewĒ I rented a Decathlon and got Em to sign me off after we did some ah . . . maneuvers. Em eventually got himself kilt whilst instructing in a Twin Bee with Brownís Seaplane Base.
Iíd met Em when I started instructing at the pilot mill flight school ďBartow Air AcademyĒ in late 1970. At one point we had eighteen instructors. A few of which had previously worked at the old Air Base, and settled in the area, after the Air Base had closed. Actually, over time, I met quite a number of previous Air Base instructors whoíd settled in the area in various capacities.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/01/17 03:34 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Ya wood/metal either is fine by me although think Iíll lean toward metal




Some differences in the tubing v/s chrome-molly construction enables it to meet the LSA weight specs. Got the first set of wings from Duane and Judy, had been on one of their Cole Bros. Cubs. Blue & white, somebody must'a liked them better than me I, I guess, cuz they were stolen from Southport before I got them installed on that Cub I'd bought from one of our NOR mechs.

Yup, Bartow, when I was in USAF cadets in T-6s at Moultrie/Bevo Howard's "College of Aeronautical Knowledge" at Spence we always told our classmates who'd been sent to Bartow that they were in the "Banana Belt"/"Sun Belt" down there!

best, randy


Reams Goodloe
(Top Gun)
01/01/17 08:42 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom -

I've got a friend in Arizona that's thinking of selling his....
Its been in his family for a while and was in excellent shape last time I was in it...
If the Phoenix area isn't too far for you send a PM and I can put you in touch...

- Reams-


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/01/17 11:09 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

friend in Arizona that's thinking of selling his.... send a PM and I can put you in touch...


Thanks Reams,
Druther not go that far although for the right airplane at the right price. Iíll send a PM.


Holidays over, Iíll start making inquiries re: insurance, local tie-down/hangar situation, personal Flight Review . . . ++.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/01/17 11:54 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Druther not go that far




Tomasina, sitting here now reading this stuff and your reply triggered some o-l-d story that Connie Edwards told me, that guy is a continuous source of jokes, my stomach ached after flying with him from laughing. Story involved an Arkansas farmer herding a bunch of hogs down the road. Problem is that right now all I can think of/remember is the punch line "So - what's time to a hog"? Duz anyone reading this remember that joke? It seemed appropos at the time since we were somewhere between Newfoundland and the Azores with the PBY at 105 knots!

best, randy


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/02/17 12:13 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

story that Connie Edwards told me, that guy is a continuous source of jokes, my stomach ached after flying with him from laughing. Story involved an Arkansas farmer herding a bunch of hogs down the road. Problem is that right now all I can think of/remember is the punch line "So - what's time to a hog"? Duz anyone reading this remember that joke? It seemed appropos at the time since we were somewhere between Newfoundland and the Azores with the PBY at 105 knots!


Hi Randy,

Donít know the story but makes me smile just thinkín bout yíall somewhere out there over the Atlantic splitín a gut at some outrageous joke/story.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/02/17 10:37 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

somewhere out there over the Atlantic splitín a gut at some outrageous joke/story




Connie's got a continous never ending series of jokes, same as some of the DC-3 captains I flew with in my early years at North Central, I'd come back off a four day trip out in the western division with my belly hurting from constantly laughing at some of those guys. His son (BTW BOTH great pilots), "Tex" though was completely serious and paid attention to everything while I was teaching him to fly the T-6 and Cat.

Prolly the thing though that absolutely sticks in my mind about that trip to England is after we'd left Lages (Terciera) coming back and, while rumbling along not very high over the water Tex spotted the island of San Miguel, ahead. So I sez "OK, Tex, I got it for a little while here" and increased to climb power. It was just barely daylight/dawn and I climbed just high enough to clear the land and flew down the main street of some little town there. Marty Caidin was sitting in the left hand observer's bubble in the rear end and right after he saw that little church's belltower go by he called me on the interphone and sez "Cripes Randy, you sure shortened up THEIR night"! Chuckle.

Good ole days!

best, randy


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/02/17 01:52 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

sez "Cripes Randy, you sure shortened up THEIR night"!


Hi Randy,
Thanks for typing and sharing that!
So I expect that was a Ėone- pass deal<g>?

Not much of a teller-of-jokes my own self (not bright enough) but Ėdo- get, been party to, and appreciate most humor. Seen and heard a lot of really funny stuff over the years in our potentially ďmoment away from disasterĒ world of aviatín.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/02/17 03:10 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Thanks for typing




Yup Tomasina, many just don't fully realize what a major effort it is to correct whatever I'd just written (just check over there to the left and "yo conosco!)

And yes, we just "kept on'a truckin" towards the west and - eventually - Bermuda after that low pass. IIRC, that leg was the longest that I've ever flown, I think 18 1/2 or 19 hours or so. I do remember that the next night when we got close to Bermuda Connie sez to me "Ya know something Ferd, meb'be we should stay up here a little longer cuz I've always wanted to put a "1" in my logbook, 1 day that is".

best, randy


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
01/02/17 10:12 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Apropos of nothing, your comment about the slow trip made me think of my son's current trip from Denver back to Boston. He is moving back here. He texted me to say that Kansas sure is flat, and that he has spent ALL day driving across the state....

Anne


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/02/17 10:30 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

texted me to say that Kansas sure is flat, and that he has spent ALL day




Tell'im that I understand, but next time he needs to drive from LaFeria down there in the Valley up to Dalhart. Or from the "Piney Woods" out in east Texas to El Paso.

best, randy


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
01/02/17 11:34 PM
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Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

The Kansas state tree...



Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
01/02/17 11:47 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

The Kansas state tree...




Chuckle, made me recall one quote that i got from Waylon Jennings (was from west Texas) - "Ya'know, it was so flat where I come from that if your dog ran away you could see him goin' for three days".

best, randy


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/03/17 09:53 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Hi Randy,
Speaking of Connie, does he still have that PBY Cat down in Texas? Does it get flown?
I knew he found a buyer for all those Fighter planes he had from that movie deal.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


sreyoB yrraL
(AVSIG Member)
01/03/17 10:13 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Kansas sure is flat, and that he has spent ALL day driving across the state....



I think the locals address that by just driving faster...


Gil Buettner [KAUW]
(Top Gun)
01/03/17 10:52 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

"Rural Kansas" is redundant.

I was stationed in Topeka for a few years... it is actually quite hilly there.


sreyoB yrraL
(AVSIG Member)
01/03/17 04:19 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

www.scottdyercfi.com



Is your URL supposed to be clickable?


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
01/03/17 09:41 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Larry -- Yes, Ray pointed me in the right direction of how to fix it.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/10/17 08:14 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Got to fly a short flight yesterday in a really nice J-3 with a C85. Belongs to a friend of a friend. They forced me into the back seat. Beautiful 3,400ft grass strip. Did a takeoff and landing, a few wingovers and some tight turns. Wa-hoo! Dam that was just as much fun as I remember! Ha . . . first time I ever flew a Cub with an intercom & headset!
Best no one leave their Cub in an unlocked hangar . . . T.C. is on the prowl<g>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
01/10/17 09:04 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

You're not in the right place at the moment, but try a Cub on skis some time.

Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
01/10/17 09:35 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I once had an hour of dual in a 65hp J-3 on floats, with an instructor who was a lardbutt like me...that poor thing managed to get off the water somehow <g>.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/11/17 11:50 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

You're not in the right place at the moment, but


Hi Ray,
Thank goodness . . . cause I also donít own a snow shovel<g>.

Quote:

try a Cub on skis some time



Never did skis but, back about 1965, me and a buddy flew his T-Cart on wheels, off of the ice, on Sun Rise Lake, NH. We even landed at night in bright moonlight. Was pure magic. We met and became friends with a family that lived at the lake year round. What great memories.

Hope allís well with you and yours this winter in Philly.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
01/12/17 06:55 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Have you thought of a Super Cub?

Of course in Cub yellow with black stripe.

Same fun airframe, and you don't have to push the throttle up to simulate less HP.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/12/17 04:19 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Have you thought of a Super Cub?

Of course in Cub yellow with black stripe.


Hi Terry,
Moot point but Iíve never flown a Super Cub. Also, to be honest, need to keep the cost down. Ainít no cheap Super Cubs. For a Cub that hopefully wonít need any major work, for a while, I expect will set me back in the $35/$40K range.

Iíd consider a Wag-Aero Cubby though.

A basic J-3 with its cylinders hangín out in the breeze would suit me well. I will opt for at least a C85-12 for our warm humid Florida summer afternoons.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
01/12/17 06:14 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom C:

Funny thing about airplanes. No matter what you want to buy, someone will suggest buying one step up.

I've flown Super Cubs a bit--was backup patrol pilot for the highest-time pilot who ever lived, Ed Long--and enjoyed them. Flown J-3 Cubs less, but that's one I'd love to own. Also flown a Luscombe a good bit, and enjoyed it--TaylorCraft, too. There's just something about the old, small, slow tailwheel aircraft.

Ralph H


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 07:06 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I have never flown a J-3. I know HORRORS. :)

I have some time in Super Cubs, both 115 and 150 HP versions.

Solo from the front. Flaps. And POWER, especially the 150 version.

And there are the Cub clones.

But price is a factor.


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 11:05 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Solo from the front.



There's just something funky about sitting in back, watching the controls move up front...including the turnbuckle overhead that goes left and right with aileron <g>.


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 11:58 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Terry C:

You are dead right about the Super Cub. If I was gonna work one, the Super Cub would make way more sense.

OTOH, considering cost, fuel use, ailerons, flaps and starter to maintain--if it's strictly for the fun of it I'd still go with the J-3.

It's just magical.

Ralph H


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 12:24 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

There's just something funky about sitting in back, watching the controls move up front...including the turnbuckle overhead that goes left and right with aileron <g>.


Hi Ralph,

I always liked the long-nose perspective from the back. Easier alignment of fuselage with ground-track down the runway.

Also fun with first time passengers . . . what? You mean the pilot flies from the back seat? Oh my. Then thereís the hand propping thing<g>.

I always liked the obvious connection, in a Cub, of turnbucklesín cables linking the slipstream over the ailerons to my fingers. You can feel every little burble of air flowing past the airplane and controls.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 12:25 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

and starter to maintain



Remember, back in our day the lineman would prop for you...;-)


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 12:32 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

If I was gonna work one, the Super Cub would make way more sense.
--if it's strictly for the fun of it I'd still go with the J-3.

It's just magical.


Hi Ralph H,

I think Ralph H. dun broke da code!<g>

Also . . . donít nobody be clueín me in on what my actual cost per hour will be<Big grin>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 12:50 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Remember, back in our day the lineman would prop for you...;-)


Hi Ralph J.

Ha, having been a lineman, back in time, done did that<G>.

Seems Iíve heard that some larger airport FBOís get very squirrely when they see you hand propping. Although having been around awhile . . . I kindía get that.

One thing Iíve discovered is that, on a number of J-3s, if the Continental has a -12 accessory case thereís an STC to equip with one of the new light weight starters and batteries. No generator so itís not considered to have an electrical system with attendant ADS-B requirement.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
01/13/17 05:34 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom -- Having flown a non-starter equipped J3 around these parts a bit, I have to tell you that hand propping on stops hither and yon is a PITA. I'm a fan of starters....

Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
01/15/17 02:08 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

This J-3 is for sale in Texas.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/15/17 02:43 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

This J-3 is for sale in Texas.


Thanks Mase,
A new listing I hadnít caught. Itíll be #20 in my spreadsheet.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
01/18/17 09:24 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Not a Cub, but an 8KCAB 150 HP, for Cub price range.

http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/1430621/bellanca-decathlon-8kcab


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
01/19/17 02:40 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

How bout this Champ, posted on the POA board.

1946 Aeronca Champ 7AC airplane. Major overhaul to engine in 7/2014. 7 hours on new engine. 75HP. Total airframe time - 1,545 hours. 3/2012 - Recovered with new fabric. Asking $23,000. Includes 2 headsets and intercom system, as well as Vertex Standard VXA-220 2 way radio.

Plane is located at the Platteville Wisconsin Airport.


Blue Board


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/19/17 10:17 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

1946 Aeronca Champ 7AC airplane.


Hi Mase,
Thanks . . . but . . . well there are Champ guys n there are Cub guys. Maybe if theyíd painted the champ yellow with a black lightning stripe? Man, thatíd piss off both camps<grin>.

I guess itís guys like me that keep driving the price up on Cubs. Likely pay a $10,000 premium for Cub vs Champ.

Letís see:
* The Champ cost less.
* Easier to get in & out of.
* Roomier, more comfortable cabin.
* Solo from front seat.

Dunno, must be the Cubsí exposed engine cylinders, Dutch doors and yellow paint<g>

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
01/19/17 01:49 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

>>> must be the Cubsí exposed engine cylinders, Dutch doors and yellow paint<g><<<

Also, propping a Champ, you are a long way from the cockpit, a Cub, prop from behind, you are almost in the cockpit.

If I owned one today I would have a tow hitch or carry a short cable with a hook to clip it to a tie down. Release after idle...


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/19/17 04:39 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

a Cub, prop from behind, you are almost in the cockpit.


Hi Jeff,
Yup, and with good impulse mags firing at TDC, less likely for backfire removing the first joint of your fingertips and usually only takes a gentle flip past compression for commencement.

Quote:

I would have a tow hitch or carry a short cable with a hook to clip it to a tie down. Release after idle...



Concur.
And furthermore . . . Iíve heard that some larger FBOs get a bit wonkie, these days, seeing someone hand propping. But I get that. Precautions need to be taken. Dam things will go flyín by their ownself.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
01/21/17 08:09 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom C

<<<<<< Iíve heard that some larger FBOs get a bit wonkie, these days, seeing someone hand propping. >>>>>>

Ah, but Cubs should be based at little grass strips with a coffee maker, a "liar's table" and a bench to sit on and discuss takeoffs and landings!

Ralph H


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
01/21/17 09:33 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Don't forget the scarred, one-eyed airport cat, usually named "Prop".

Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
01/23/17 05:55 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom, I think I know one out at Gillespie Field for sale. Its been completely restored. Ill look into it today and get back to you. Saw it advertised on the bulletin board down at EAA this weekend, Brown Field.

Patty


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
01/23/17 06:08 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase



I just found this and think it's the same plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96cHosKXcQY&t=29s

Will get back to you about it today.

Patty


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/24/17 04:24 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Ah, but Cubs should be based at little grass strips with a coffee maker, a "liar's table" and a bench to sit on and discuss takeoffs and landings!


Hi Ralph H.
Concur! And will likely be based at Airport Manatee (48X) one 3,100í grass runway. Just the ticket.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/24/17 04:44 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Don't forget the scarred, one-eyed airport cat, usually named "Prop".


Hi Ray,
And the airport dog ďAileronĒ<g>

Ha, back in the 1970/80s worked / flew out of an office at KBOW. We had this dirty, dingy, white indoor/outdoor mascot cat name of ďParallaxĒ (we were in the business of making maps using stereo imagery) She liked to lurk in the bushes by the sidewalk at the FBO next door to us. Sheíd do a hit Ėn- run on any stranger walking by. Grab them on the back of the leg calf and run like the dickens.

Like most any cat sheíd jump in any vehicle door left ajar. As I recall: one day she got an airplane ride most of the way to Daytona. They turned around and brought her back. Meow.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/24/17 05:01 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Tom, I think I know one out at Gillespie Field for sale. Its been completely restored. Ill look into it today and get back to you. Saw it advertised on the bulletin board down at EAA this weekend, Brown Field.


Hi Patty,
Thanks!

Gillespie Field (KSEE)? Hoping to find something closer to home . . . but . . . for the right deal . . .
Looking for the most Cub I can get for something like 35 ~ 40K

Have you flown a J-3 before? If not you will love it. And the more you fly it . . . well they really grow on ya!

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
01/27/17 03:58 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase



Hi Tom.I have been up in a J-3, just once. A former BF has a Super Cruiser, which I spent many hours in. Would love to have a Piper of my own one day. I finally heard back from Mike LaFrance. Sorry that took so long. The cub he is selling has 36 hours and is asking 45K for it. Would you like his number?

Patty


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/27/17 08:43 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

I finally heard back from Mike LaFrance. Sorry that took so long. The cub he is selling has 36 hours and is asking 45K for it. Would you like his number?


Hi Patty, thanks.

Sure, send phone # via PM or here on the forum.
Or give Mike my email and ask him if heíd like to send info on his Cub.
( avi8tor.tom [the at symbol here] gmail.com )

Most recent thinking on J-3 Cub must have -vs- nice to have considerations

Must have:
* Paper work in order.
* Fabric cover that has potential to last awhile.
* Yellow W/ black trim.
* C-85 or greater Continental engine w/ good potential remaining life
* Impulse mags.
* Reasonable assurance airframe tubing in good condition
* Sealed struts.
* Grove Brakes.
* 1,220lb gross wt.

Nice to have:
* Metal prop
* Alum spars
* Extra in-wing fuel tank
* Purchase not too far from home
* -12 accessory case w/ starter.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
01/28/17 07:21 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Okydoke, that was my plan. And yes it has a metal.prop. :-)

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/28/17 08:42 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Okydoke, that was my plan. And yes it has a metal.prop. :-)



Thanks Patty,
Got PM.
Tom C.


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
01/29/17 06:46 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Concur! And will likely be based at Airport Manatee (48X) one 3,100í grass runway. Just the ticket.

Regards,
Tom Charlton




3100'???????

For a Cub???

You can probably do at least 3 touch and goes on one pass. :)

I got checked on in an Aero Club Citabria at Barksdale AFB. 12000' runway, so IIRC, we got 9 touch and goes on one pass. Climbs were to 50'.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
01/29/17 07:05 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Citabria at Barksdale AFB. 12000' runway, so IIRC, we got 9 touch and goes on one pass. Climbs were to 50'.


Hi Terry,
Ifín a Citabria could do nine I recon an 85hp Cub could get in twelve. Hold my beer . . .

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
01/31/17 04:22 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Quote:

Citabria at Barksdale AFB. 12000' runway, so IIRC, we got 9 touch and goes on one pass. Climbs were to 50'.


Hi Terry,
Ifín a Citabria could do nine I recon an 85hp Cub could get in twelve. Hold my beer . . .

Regards,
Tom Charlton




It would be an interesting test.

Larger wing with less HP, versus Smaller wing with more HP.

Of course a Super Cub would be even better. Large wing, more HP, and FLAPS. :)


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/11/17 11:19 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

All,
Done flew to San Diego last Tue. to look at and do a pre-buy on a Cub in El Cajon that Patty Haley pointed out to me. Been going slow due to owners work schedule. Pending a Compression check this morning and final negotiations itíll be an adventurous 2,300 mi east bound.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
02/11/17 01:36 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

That sounds like quite an adventure. Don't forget the camera.

Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
02/11/17 01:59 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

You will probably want to fly along I-10 to minimize terrain elevation until
you reach Texas. Be VERY careful not to stray even close to the Mexican
border. I suggest you remain north of V12.

Anne should be able to give you plentty of good advice about flying an
altitude-limited, relatively short-range aircraft in the southwest.

Other than that, bring a camera, lean for best power during runup at high
density altitudes, and be ready to wait out wind and weather as necessary.

Oh yeah. Bring us the story!


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
02/11/17 02:03 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

All,
Done flew to San Diego last Tue. to look at and do a pre-buy on a Cub in El Cajon that Patty Haley pointed out to me. Been going slow due to owners work schedule. Pending a Compression check this morning and final negotiations itíll be an adventurous 2,300 mi east bound.

Regards,
Tom Charlton




That Patty, doing all she can to spend your money. <G>

Great news.


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
02/11/17 03:39 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

bring a camera



In fact, rig a couple of GoPro's. There's fame waiting on Youtube <g>.


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/11/17 03:42 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I have seen a carb with mixture on a Cub, but usually wired rich.
>>>>lean for best power<<<<

May not be possible...with most Cubs.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 12:28 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

I have seen a carb with mixture on a Cub, but usually wired rich.
>>>>lean for best power<<<<

May not be possible...with most Cubs.


Hi Jeff,
Till now Iíd never come across a Cub with a mixture control. This one is retrofitted with a C-85 engine from something like a Cessna 140. I think many if not most small Continentals were fitted with a Marvel Schebler carburetor. Any that had provision for a mixture control are required to be wired full rich.

Some were fitted with the Stromberg NA-S3 with mixture control as was this one. These have a very short and sensitive one inch full travel mixture control. My understanding is it is possible to lean for better power at higher altitude. Perhaps get to test that over the high desert just east of here.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 12:39 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

That Patty, doing all she can to spend your money. <G>
Great news.


Hi Scott,
Friends donít let friends buy airplanes<g>.

Hey Scott . . . maybe we could do a formation flight over the Dilute gang. I think thereís perhaps a fifteen knot area of overlap in the airspeed ranges of a C-210 and a J-3 Cub?

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 12:57 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

You will probably want to fly along I-10 to minimize terrain elevation until
you reach Texas.


Hi Ray,
I-8 till I-10 intercept. Will definitely hug the interstates except to circumvent certain airspace. Also more opportunities for landing if mister motor quits<ng>.

Quote:

Be VERY careful not to stray even close to the Mexican
border. I suggest you remain north of V12.


Just because I donít speak Spanish<g>?

Quote:

be ready to wait out wind and weather as necessary.


Concur!

Quote:

Oh yeah. Bring us the story!


Itís already an adventure here at Gillespie Airport. Very neat place with a large number of hangars with interesting people and airplanes. Homebuilts and antiques galore.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 01:05 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

That sounds like quite an adventure. Don't forget the camera.


Hi Mase,
On my list to purchase for the trip:
* El Cheep-o camera.
* El Cheep-o watch. (havenít worn a watch since retirement<g>)

Mase, do you live anywhere close to where Gillespie Airport is? Or are you up closer to Las Angeles?

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 03:43 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I'm about 10 miles from LAX.

Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 08:19 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Hey Scott . . . maybe we could do a formation flight over the Dilute gang. I think thereís perhaps a fifteen knot area of overlap in the airspeed ranges of a C-210 and a J-3 Cub?

Regards,
Tom Charlton




15 knots is PLENTY.

But you have to lead. :D

Be more fun to mix in Dave and the King Air. :D


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 10:31 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom -- <<maybe we could do a formation flight over the Dilute gang.>> I"m ready! I can motor along at 60 KIAS all day long. So, you'll have to use the high speed cruise power setting.

Need a travel companion for the trip back to FL? <g>


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 11:32 AM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

>>> Just because I don't speak Spanish?

I spent a week with Sue Critz at ELP years ago. She wanted me to see the VOR
approaches into TUS, but strongly recommended we go IFR via V12 due to U.S.
government paranoia about aircraft near the border.


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/12/17 10:44 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Cap'n Randy. Sir:

"<<<< what's time to a hog"?>>>>

Ah, yes--I remember it well! The farmer was holding each hog up high so the hog could eat apples off of the tree. Somebody asked, ""Doesn't that waste a lot of time?" The farmer shrugged, than answered---"...what's time to a hog"?
\
Ralph H


Stephanie Belser-2
(Top Gun APC)
02/12/17 11:21 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Just for laughs, I plugged in KSEE-48X into Airnav's planner, with a range estimate of 140nm.

Wouldn't work, too many fuel stops. <g>


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
02/18/17 05:29 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Hooray! Mitch just relayed the news to me Tom. If I knew you were coming I would have gone out to SEE to say hi. Maybe even baked you a cake! Glad to hear you enjoyed that airport. Maybe I'll get to see it at OSH or Sun N Fun one day,

Patty


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 12:55 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Hooray! Mitch just relayed the news to me Tom. If I knew you were coming I would have gone out to SEE to say hi. Maybe even baked you a cake! Glad to hear you enjoyed that airport. Maybe I'll get to see it at OSH or Sun N Fun one day,


Hi Patty,

Sorry to keep everyone in suspense. Itís been a bit of a whirl-wind of dashing to San Diego, Pre purchase inspection, getting my act together etc.

02/08/17, Wed : Flew to San Diego
02/09/17, Thu: Spent day doing J-3 Cub pre-buy inspection
02/10/17, Fri: Did a 1hr afternoon flight with owner.
02/11/17, Sat: Did compression check and agreed on price.
02/12/17, Sun: Nice ride to Brown Field and tour around San Diego in a pristine Luscombe Sedan, Drove to Aircraft Spruce in Corona to buy handheld com radio and "ifly" GPS. Bought lithium battery for extended avionics power.
02/13/17, Mon: Transfer purchase funds. Tinker with Cub, figure how to stash stuff for the trip home.
02/14/17, Tue: Install in Cub: Lash-up com radio, GPS, battery & cabling, Cabin heat cable. Service brakes. (cabin heat has very effectively kept my left foot toasty<g>)
02/15/17, Wed: Fly from Gillespie Field to overnight in Yuma, AZ.
02/16/17, Thu: Fly from Yuma, AZ ~ Marana, AZ ~ overnight in Las Cruces, NM.
02/17/17, Fri: Put the Cub in the barn due to rising winds and forecast storm system.
02/18/17, Sat: Fly from Las Cruces ~ Ft Stockton ~ overnight in Kerrville, TX
02/19/17, Sun: Anticipating deteriorating weather forecast.

* Generally following I-8 then joined I-10. With building confidence in the power plant been taking more short-cuts across the boonies. (And man-o-man there some boonies in the south west)
* C-85 starts easy and runs very strong and smooth. Been cruising mostly 5,500 ~ 7,500 MSL
* 2,400 RPM / 79 mph indicated.
* Been getting light to good tailwinds. 85 sometimes 95 ground speeds.
* Done one 3.4 hr leg and a couple of 3.2hr legs. (22 gal / 5 gph)
* The view out the windows of a J-3 Cub of the American South West is spectacular!

Regards,
Tom Charlton (in the midst of a challenging adventure)


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 01:14 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I hope you are getting a nice set of travelogue videos. What a wonderful trip.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 01:34 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

travelogue videos



Sorry Mase,
Good idea but . . . Iím not that guy. Took a few cell photos but sadly thatís it. Just sortía had my plate full with everything else and basic San Diego to Sarasota mid-February trip prep. No time to smell the roses<g>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
02/19/17 02:05 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase



Great news Tom. The deal went through, and you got a ride in Mike's Sedan. Did Mike show you the EAA Chapter at Brown? Looking forward to more updates of the trip. Happy and safe travels!

Patty


nehoC hctiM
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 11:34 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I've been following your purchase on Avsig.

Thanks for posting.

Safe rest of flight.


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 05:15 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Big-time congrats!

Oh, but that trip must be wonderful! I loved my trips bringing ag aircraft back from the Cessna factory in Wichita. and the Piper factory in Pennsylvania.

Enjoy!

Ralph H


Dave Siciliano (ADS)
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 07:49 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Wow Tom. Congrats and sounds like a great trip. Big system moving into Dallas tonight.

Al Benzing and I went out and did three practice approaches in IMC with ceilings about 600 feet at Tyler and a bit higher when we returned to Addison. Instrument departure out of here, DP and STAR to return. Quite a workout.

You're doing much more enjoyable flying I'm sure!

Welcome back to flying!


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/19/17 08:50 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

>>>and the Piper factory in Pennsylvania. <<

I remember the first time I picked up a Pawnee at Lock Haven. As I climbed, I wondered ...why does that red light flash. Then I stopped looking over the nose, and out at the wings!


Stephanie Belser-2
(Top Gun APC)
02/19/17 09:59 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

02/14/17, Tue: Install in Cub: Lash-up com radio, GPS, battery & cabling, Cabin heat cable. Service brakes. (cabin heat has very effectively kept my left foot toasty<g>)




Old airplanes. I have the same issues When I was younger and didn't mind standing around and preheating for an hour or so, I had an insulated jumpsuit for winter flying.

(Now, I just wait for it to get warmer. <g> )


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/20/17 01:25 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Great news Tom. The deal went through,


Hi Patty,
Thanks for the point-out on this one.
I was look'n all over the USA for the right one to buy.
Other than distance from home it met all of my criteria:
* C-85-12 (Can be equipped with a starter if desired)
* Recent rebuild on engine.
* New fabric covering.
* Extra10 gal fuel tank in the wing.
* All new control cables.
* sealed struts.
* Upgraded disk brakes.

It's been running really good and is very easy to start.

Quote:

and you got a ride in Mike's Sedan.



Tell ya what: that Luscombe Sedan is a real Cadillac of an aero plane.

Quote:

Did Mike show you the EAA Chapter at Brown?



I saw the Chapter building. Mike introduced me to a bunch of interesting folks at both Brown and Gillespie Fields. Ha, at Brown, I was impressed with that hanger full of antique cars and other stuff.

Quote:

Looking forward to more updates of the trip. Happy and safe travels!
Patty



Southern CA, AZ, NM and western TX incredibly beautiful from the Cub!
Weathered in in Kerrville, TX at the moment. Strong gusty winds low ceilings and rotten visibilities most of the day. Almost headed out mid-afternoon but discretion prevailed.

Tom C.
Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/20/17 01:59 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Wow Tom. Congrats and sounds like a great trip. Big system moving into Dallas tonight.


Hi Dave,
Thanks, and ya, storm just passed through Kerrville tonight. Apparently a very nasty portion over San Antonio just to the SE of here.

Quote:

Al Benzing and I went out and did three practice approaches in IMC with ceilings about 600 feet at Tyler and a bit higher when we returned to Addison. Instrument departure out of here, DP and STAR to return. Quite a workout.

You're doing much more enjoyable flying I'm sure!



Dave, over the years, aviation has provided so many fascinating and disparate challenges for me, IMC being one of many. Iím so grateful to have been able to indulge so many of them: Seaplanes, Sailplanes, Aerobatics, Multi engine, Sling-Wings, Charter operations, Dope Ėn- fabric work, Flight instruction, ultra-lights, mowing airport grass, Beech 18s, Cessna 208s, Stearman biplane and about fifty other kinds of airplanes, even the occasional Piper Cub. The list of fun is far longer than that, itís just that itís all been so good. But mainly itís the people, what amazing people one comes to know in our special fraternity.

Quote:

Welcome back to flying!


Thank you.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/20/17 02:00 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Safe rest of flight.


Thanks Mitch.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/20/17 02:11 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

I had an insulated jumpsuit for winter flying.
Quote:

Hi Stephanie,
Florida boy here just has layers. Was useín all of em for a time<g>.

Quote:

(Now, I just wait for it to get warmer. <g> )



Generaly my philosophy with a Cub is:
If it ainít warm enough to fly with the door open . . . it ainít warm enough to fly.
That said, I do need to get this yellow bird back home. (where it is warm<g>)

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
02/20/17 02:22 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

But mainly itís the people, what amazing people one comes to know in our special fraternity.






Concur!


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
02/20/17 05:39 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Quote:

I had an insulated jumpsuit for winter flying.


Hi Stephanie,
Florida boy here just has layers. Was useín all of em for a time<g>.

Quote:

(Now, I just wait for it to get warmer. <g> )



Generaly my philosophy with a Cub is:
If it ainít warm enough to fly with the door open . . . it ainít warm enough to fly.
That said, I do need to get this yellow bird back home. (where it is warm<g>)




I hear that. 3.2~3.5 hour legs are as long as I like to go. My longest-ever one-day trip was 9.5 hours with three fuel stops. It's wearing as hell and I'd prefer not to try to do days like that back-to-back.

Email me if you're going to be stuck in NOLA, as I know a guy there. ess emm lastname aaaah peoplepc dahht kahm.


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/21/17 12:24 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Just left New Orleans , in Pensacola....wet day, good for ducks, not so much Cubs. Hope it clears out soon for you.

Or...add a slicker to your gear!


John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
02/21/17 05:57 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

What is the N-number?

Looking forward to more updates!

Safe Travels, Tom.


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
02/21/17 06:53 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

John - N Number? He doesn't need any N number....Tom flies below the radar!

Car 54, where are you? (Tom, it's update time)


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 12:01 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Just left New Orleans , in Pensacola....wet day, good for ducks, not so much Cubs. Hope it clears out soon for you.

Or...add a slicker to your gear!


Hi Jeff,

Today was Brenham, TX ~ Jennings, LA. 7,500í alt moderate tailwind, probably averaged 90 mph GS.

Been chase Ďn the tails of this system for several days. Overnighting in Jennings.
, LA tonight. Each day have to await mid-day for departure and only able to get in maybe a 180kt leg before I catch up to it again.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 12:11 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

John - N Number? He doesn't need any N number....Tom flies below the radar!
Car 54, where are you? (Tom, it's update time)


Hi John and Scott,
John: N92652
Scott: No transponder, no ADDS-B . . . stealth! Controllers from California to Florida wondering just what is that ubiquitous blob slowly moving across their display.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 12:26 AM
Hey Randy

Hi Randy,
Was proceed ín along east bound this afternoon in my newly acquired J-3 Cub and dropped in to Jennings, LA for fuel.

Came across a Cajun guy (I can barely understand what heís sayín) name of ďAubrey VidrineĒ Runs an FBO here, has a NA T-6 and says heís an old P-51 flyer. Says he hasnít seen you in a long time (almost said ďin a coonís ageĒ but thought better of it) for me to tell ya hi and was askín howís Randy doin?

Any how, is a real friendly guy, as many Cajuns are, and loaned me a car to get to the hotel for the night.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 02:30 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom C:

Hey--if you're still in Pensacola and have time, go by Pensacola Aviation Center and tell Bill Hudgens (the owner) I suggested you say hello. I've known Bill since he was in hiigh school and we were both working for his father (Bob) owner at Montgomery (AL) Aviation. Bob was one of my heroes and teachers.

Ralph Hood


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 02:34 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I remember him from Montgomery. I sat at Pensacola Aviation yesterday for about 4 hours, great FBO....pizza and hot dogs, or crew car if needed.
It was raining all day, so we opted for the free food and a nap.


Kcid LlirreM
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 05:30 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

ah the corporate life:)

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 09:00 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

ah the corporate life:)


Dick,
Now that was zakly what I was going to reply!

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 09:12 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

go by Pensacola Aviation Center


Hi Ralph,
So . . . you mean go into an airport with a control tower and, and, and class ďCĒ airspace? In a J-3 Cub? Ok, other than I already done made it to Defuniak Springs<g>.

That said, wouldíve been an honor toíve met your friend Bill Hudgens and drop your name.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 09:45 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

I already done made it to Defuniak Springs<g>.




I love Florida place names...my favorite is Okahumpka.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/22/17 09:55 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Today was Jennings, LA. ~ Picayune, MS ~ Defuniak Springs, FL.

Mostly down in the weeds below the cloud bases from 900í ~2,000í alt. Busy weaving my way through an airspace obstacle course. Put me over some very remote Loosianna swamps. Donít quit now baby. Thank goodness for a borrowed Garmin GPS 496, but still keepín a finger on a, strip-folded, sectional chart. Getting into more of a headwind with that low pressure off my right wing. Probably averaged 75 mph GS. The whole dammed FL peninsula covered in showers so Defuniak was the end of the road.

No more than got the Cub in a barn again tonight and another Cub landed! This guy and his 11yo son are headed to Punta Gorda, FL. Heís an Ag-Pilot / Corp-Pilot / A&P. Just bought a ragged out Cub to fix up and flip/sell. So anyhow we shared the ďcrew-carĒ to the hotel and also went to dinner together. Small world of aviation, we have friends from the past in common.

[rant] I hate self-serve av fuel. Why canít it be as simple as filling up my Jeep???? [/rant] Also didnít help that two credit card companies are keepín too good a watch on my nation spanning purchases.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Mac Tichenor (DAL)
(Top Gun)
02/23/17 01:21 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

Today was Brenham, TX...



It's been a few years since I've been there but I remember it as one of America's great GA airports. '50s cafe with juke box controllers at every booth, and a patio overlooking the ramp, lots of aviation buffs telling lies...

Sounds like a great trip!


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 12:12 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Quote:

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Today was Brenham, TX...



It's been a few years since I've been there but I remember it as one of America's great GA airports. '50s cafe with juke box controllers at every booth, and a patio overlooking the ramp, lots of aviation buffs telling lies...


Hi Mac,
Pretty quiet place during my visit. Cafť in the process of being renovated. Owner complained that corporate jet traffic has diminished dramatically.

No crew car nor rental cars available. Had a very good mech diagnose and fix a couple of damp spark plug wires. Late afternoon, dropped whatever he was doing, spent a good hour helping me. Asked him how much for his time . . . sez . . . oh how bout $40.00? I wrote him a check for $50. And he had one of his mechanics drop me off at the hotel and pick me up in the morning.

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Sounds like a great trip!



Tíwas. Just got home this late afternoon. I measured 2,287sm / 30.6hr / 11 fuel stops. My hatís off to anyone whoís done a trip like this. Thank goodness my Cub had a 10gal wing fuel tank and extra climb power. Many areas in the desert SW have a serious sparsity of fuel stops.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 09:17 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Welcome home, little Cubbie!

Andrew Niemyer -KDLH
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 09:43 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom,
What a trip, and in winter, to boot. Although given your route, I don't think summer would be especially pleasant, either!

Thanks for taking us along, looking forward to any pics you might have taken with your camera along the way.

Best,
Andy


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 11:01 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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Tíwas. Just got home this late afternoon.
Regards,
Tom Charlton




Excellent. Have you started planning your trip to Alaska? :-)


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 11:16 AM
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Congratulations! Thirty hours in that specific airplane under "varying"
conditions will certainly pay off in proficiency from now on.


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 11:49 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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in that specific airplane under "varying" conditions



As in, where has the tailwheel decided to go...;-)


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
02/24/17 04:48 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Read up about damp spark plug wires. How does one solve that issue? On a Cub I mean, with everything out in the breeze. Just wondering.

Patty


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 05:15 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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Tom,
What a trip, and in winter, to boot. Although given your route, I don't think summer would be especially pleasant, either!

Thanks for taking us along, looking forward to any pics you might have taken with your camera along the way.

Best,
Andy




Tom is hereby nominated, by unanimous acclaim, to give a talk in September in Duluth on his purchase experience, what to look for in buying a Cub, and his travel home.


Ward Miller POU-NY
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 06:36 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Patty, damp spark plug wires? WD-40! Just spray it on the wires.

The WD stands for Water Dispersant, what it was originally designed for in
the Space Program many years ago.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 10:58 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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pay off in proficiency from now on.


Hi Ray,
Lotís of tailwheel years ago in a wide ranging variety. But sure knocked the rust off me Cub rudder boots. Even had a few cross wind events. But a Cub will handle all that stuff if you wag the controls just right<g>!

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 11:03 PM
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Excellent. Have you started planning your trip to Alaska? :-)


Hi Mase,
Perhaps Ireland? It is equipped with that extra 10 gal. wing tank you know. Letís see . . . if the winds were just right<g>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/24/17 11:31 PM
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any pics you might have taken


Hi Andy,
Didnít take a lot of photos. Only camera I had was a cell phone. Would usually turn it off in flight. Didnít want any interference with all my fancy aviation equipment<g>.
Loosiaina scud on the way from Jennings, LA to Picayune, MS.


Regards,
Tom Charlton


John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 12:29 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Glad to hear you made it home safely. What a wonderful journey!

John


Gil Buettner [KAUW]
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 09:58 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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any pics you might have taken


Hi Andy,
Didnít take a lot of photos. Only camera I had was a cell phone. Would usually turn it off in flight. Didnít want any interference with all my fancy aviation equipment<g>.
Loosiaina scud on the way from Jennings, LA to Picayune, MS.
Regards,
Tom Charlton





Wow. I didn't know a Cub could fly that high.


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 06:51 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Ward M:


<<<< damp spark plug wires? WD-40! Just spray it on the wires.

The WD stands for Water Dispersant >>>>

Well, I'll be danged! I didn't know that!

Thanks,
Ralph H


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 06:54 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom C:

<<<< sure knocked the rust off me Cub rudder >>>>

Hey, are you going to go get both ankles broken and reset so you can work those Cub brakes?

Ralph H


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 08:58 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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Hey, are you going to go get both ankles broken and reset so you can work those Cub brakes?


Hi Ralph,
Well, now thereís an idea!
As Iím sure you know, generally only need brakes for engine run-up and short radius turns. I can hold the brakes for a mag check but when reaching forward for the carb heat . . . well . . . the ankles just donít work that way<g>!

Also, anybody that needs brakes during the landing roll in a Cub needs some tutor Ďn

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 09:13 PM
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Wow. I didn't know a Cub could fly that high.


Hi Gil,

Shoot, had that sucker all the way up to 7,500 comeín round El Paso<g>. Also did a number of legs at 5,500í The C-85, and cold air, climbed her up quite well. Didnít fly low till the scud in Loosiana and points east.

Tíwas February and I did have me long-johns on and several additional layers. Weíd rigged up the cabin heat control just prior to the journey. Didnít expect much heat but it did make a difference . . . to my left foot Ėn- ankle. Blood circulation distributed that to the rest of me . . . sortía<ng>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Gil Buettner [KAUW]
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 09:18 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

I envy your trip, Tom. What a great experience. Thanks for sharing.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 10:03 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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I envy your trip, Tom. What a great experience. Thanks for sharing.


Gil,

I recall that much of the time on the ground, in the evenings and mornings before flight, I felt a low-level anxiety about winds, weather, fuel stops and other uncertainties that lie ahead. But every flight, once airborne, that all went away and enjoyed the view. Was generally very comfortable: Had a big, ugly ole chunk of temper foam to sit on.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Bill Bridges - 9S1
(Top Gun)
02/25/17 10:39 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom,

A great story and adventure. :)

Thanks for sharing it with us.

Bill


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
02/27/17 12:55 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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Ward M:


<<<< damp spark plug wires? WD-40! Just spray it on the wires.

The WD stands for Water Dispersant >>>>

Well, I'll be danged! I didn't know that!

Thanks,
Ralph H




I didn't know that either. Yes, thanks Ward!

Patty


Ward Miller POU-NY
(Top Gun)
02/27/17 07:03 AM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Patty, WD-40 is occasionally mentioned on a machining forum I belong to as a
cure for everything from frozen bearings to liver cancer.

And I then always mention it consists of 50% mineral spirits (paint thinner)
and less than 10% light machine oil. The rest is liquid propellant and
about 1% of their "snake oil".

The WD-40 company has a list of about 400 problems customers claim it
solves. Just to cover all bases, it bought 3-In-One oil company about 20
years or so ago. <g>


Patty Haley
(AVSIG Member)
02/28/17 05:01 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase



Interesting. I recall I heard it has some sort of fish oil in it too. Thus the smell. Guess that's the snake oil.

Patty


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
02/28/17 05:18 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Good for many things, but lubricating is not one of them.

For spark plug wires, I would use one of the silicone sprays. Works well, should last longer.


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
03/01/17 06:37 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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WD-40 is occasionally mentioned on a machining forum I belong to as a
cure for everything from frozen bearings to liver cancer




Ward, the way Iíve always heard it:
If it moves and ainít sposeíta, use duct tape. Ifín itís sposedíta move an donít, use WD-40.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
03/01/17 06:56 PM
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Ward, the way Iíve always heard it:
If it moves and ainít sposeíta, use duct tape. Ifín itís sposedíta move an donít, use WD-40.

Regards,
Tom Charlton






Ward Miller POU-NY
(Top Gun)
03/01/17 10:26 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Mase, that's a keeper!

Ward Miller POU-NY
(Top Gun)
03/01/17 10:26 PM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Tom, many, many years ago (1958) when I was an IBM Customer Engineer (read:
mechanic), we had a mantra:

If it is too small, peen it. Too big, file it.


Gil Buettner [KAUW]
(Top Gun)
03/02/17 08:31 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, paint it. If you can't paint it, put a fence around it. If you can't fence it in, put a guard on it.

Reams Goodloe
(Top Gun)
03/05/17 02:38 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Ward -

Here is a limited discussion of specific ingredients in WD-40-

https://www.wired.com/2009/04/st-whatsinside-6/

- Reams-


Ward Miller POU-NY
(Top Gun)
03/05/17 07:07 AM
Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Reams, when I want to know the actual ingredients of something, I look at the
MSDS. That must always be the truth, under penalty of law. For WD-40 it is
50% paint thinner and a small amount of light machine oil. The rest is
propellant and a very small amount of snake oil, so they can make their
miracle claims.

WD-40 MSDS: http://tinyurl.com/goe5eew


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
03/05/17 08:53 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

BTW, they are now SDSs, part of global harmonization.

But they do allow latitude in repoarting %s. I remember seeing one, with 5 ingredients, each was was listed as 5-95%. :)


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
03/05/17 02:14 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

Ward M:

<<<< WD-40 is 50% paint thinner and a small amount of light machine oil. The rest is propellant and a very small amount of snake oil, >>>>

...and one helluva lot of profit!

Ralph H


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
09/05/17 01:33 AM
Re: Hey Randy

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Came across a Cajun guy (I can barely understand what heís sayín)




Sure do have some fond memories of all my good chums down there from the CAF. Last time I saw Aubrey was at a crawfish boil in Vicksburg. Paul Fournette from LaFayette also!

best, randy


Randy Sohn
(Gradn Exlated Ordre of teh Fyling Fingres)
09/05/17 01:43 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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both ankles broken and reset so you can work those Cub brakes?




Spent a lotta time with students on PA-18s out in Lubbock, TX. Did have to buy me a pair of cowboy boots (higher heels) for those heel brakes.

best, randy


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
09/05/17 08:25 AM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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Spent a lotta time with students on PA-18s out in Lubbock, TX.


Hi Randy,
Iíd never flown a PA-18 till this past January. I was needín a flight review so friend told me ta git in his Super Cub and off we flew for an hour or so. Wouldnít take any money. Said: now git on out ta Kalifornia and buy that J-3!

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Did have to buy me a pair of cowboy boots (higher heels) for those heel brakes



J-3 donít need no stinkín brakes! Well maybe sept for engine run-up and taxiín down a downslope taxiway<g>.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Gil Buettner [KAUW]
(Top Gun)
10/08/17 03:30 PM
Re: Looking for a J-3 Cub to purchase

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J-3 donít need no stinkín brakes! Well maybe sept for engine run-up and taxiín down a downslope taxiway<g>.






Put it on straight floats and forget about brakes.



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