Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 02:21 AM
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Piper's Diesel Archer

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Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 12:52 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Mase T:

The Archer has always been one of my favorites, and I sold a few of them. I'm also a big fan of anything that burns jet fuel. OTOH, I wonder. It kinda seems to me that the extra expense of such an engine is hard to recoup in a smallish airplane. I have a friend who flies hundreds of hours per year doing high-tech aerial photography under contract. He owns/operates/flies his own C-210, goes through engines rapidly, and his been hoping for a diesel engine for years. The ones he has looked at, however, just don't pay off in his in his opinion. He--and I--keep hoping the prices will drop.
What sayeth you and the other AVSIG experts? I haven't seen the extra price and performance on the Archer. Is this the one?

Ralph H


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 02:29 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Ralph - The Cessna and Piper diesels being produced are mostly for the overseas market where Avgas just isn't available (e.g., Africa). There's been a fair bit of analysis by Paul Bertorelli about the economics of diesels in domestic use, whether traffic watch or otherwise, and they're not there yet financially given our avgas situation.

Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 03:26 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Quote:

Ralph H. posted:
I have a friend who flies hundreds of hours per year doing high-tech aerial photography under contract. He owns/operates/flies his own C-210


Hi Ralph,
Who dat? Can you say? I might knowím.
High-tech aerial imaging/data collection . . . Datís what I done did for many a year. In fact I knew a guy out of Ormond Beach, FL who independently owned and flew a C-210 for mapping.

Concur with what Scott D. said as to driving forces for Jet-A, be it diesel or turbine. Thatís what really drove sales of turbine AG aircraft in South America and elsewhere, ie: unavailability of avgas.

Regards,
Tom Charlton (anyone remember a unique smell of burned red 80 octane?)


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 06:55 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Tom C:

The guy's name is Bill; Broadway from Huntsville, AL, where I used to live. I now live in East TN. Bill stops by about every other month when he's coming back from, shooting pics of a stockpile of something somewhere NE of here. He also does lidar (sp?) work and other aerial photo work. I'd bet that if you asked him at coffee how many of those Continental engines he's been through he couldn't tell you to save his neck. He knows that airplane and that engine!
He used to work for Atlantic Aerial Survey (or sumpin' like that) then went on his own decades ago.
His industry has been greatly changed by GPS, lidar and other technology, of course.

Ralph H


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 06:57 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Scott D:

Thanks for all that info. Makes total sense now that you've 'splained it.

Ralph H


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/21/15 11:50 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Quote:

The guy's name is Bill; Broadway from Huntsville, AL, where I used to live. I now live in East TN. Bill stops by about every other month when he's coming back from, shooting pics of a stockpile of something somewhere NE of here. He also does lidar (sp?) work and other aerial photo work. I'd bet that if you asked him at coffee how many of those Continental engines he's been through he couldn't tell you to save his neck. He knows that airplane and that engine!
He used to work for Atlantic Aerial Survey (or sumpin' like that) then went on his own decades ago.
His industry has been greatly changed by GPS, lidar and other technology, of course.


Hi Ralph,
Yup, I remember Bill Broadway! Didnít know him real well. Itís a small industry and eventually everybody knows everybody. If I recall correctly we may have helped Bill get set up initially with the Aerial Mapping specific GPS navigation flight planning software.

ďLiDARĒ with a small ďiĒ is the way itís typically written these days. Amazing technology that Iím intimately familiar with! An early LiDAR project that I flight planned was a large area around Huntsville.

Iíve dealt with Atlantic Aerial Surveys a number of times over the years. They were eventually bought out by some large Canadian firm resulting in many disgruntled employees as I recall. Number of years back I hired a Camera Systems Operator whoíd previously worked there. (Eventually had to fire him<ng>)

Done burned through my share of Continentals also<g>/<ng> The crew at Ada, OK improved that situation bunches though.

Next time you see Bill tell him you know a guy retired from ACA in Orlando, FL.

Regards,
Tom Charlton


Terry Carraway
(Top Gun)
02/22/15 05:06 AM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

I wonder about the feasibility of running one on mo-diesel?

But not sure what Jet A/A-1 is running these days.

Sounds like solar panels, payback is longer than the lifespan of the panels. :)


Kcid LlirreM
(Top Gun)
02/22/15 09:42 AM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Here in east Tennessee we can get all the whiskey free mogas we want, for the 80 oct crowd.

Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/22/15 02:40 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Tom C:

I'll definitely tell Bill you said hello. It is a small world, after all.!

Ralph H


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
02/23/15 08:44 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Tom C:

<<< Next time you see Bill tell him you know a guy retired from ACA in Orlando, FL. >>>

BY golly, Tom, he does remember. Said to tell you HI, and that he's still huffin' and puffin', blowin' and goin' and replacing Continental engines.

Ralph H


Tom Charlton
(Top Gun)
02/23/15 10:53 PM
Re: Piper's Diesel Archer

Quote:

Ralph H posted:
Hey--Bill Broadway does, indeed, remember you. Said to tell you hello!


Hey thanks Ralph! Thatís super! So now . . . the Ėnext- time you see Bill tellím I said itís time to retire! Although it did take me a year to get my mind wrapped around the concept. Interesting as it was I donít miss it even a little.

Has Bill ever taken a look/see at Avsig?

Regards,
Tom Charlton



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