Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
01/21/10 05:28 PM
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Piper Announces LSA

"Piper Aircraft says it's going back to its roots with a Czech-built light sport aircraft it's calling the PiperSport. In its first appearance at the U.S. Sport Aviation Expo in Sebring, Fla. today, the company unveiled the aircraft, which was previously sold as a SportCruiser by Czech Sport Aircraft."

AVWEB






Low wing, Rotax autogas burner.

Not cheap. Cub as an LSA much more within the budget.....




Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
01/21/10 06:01 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Meanwhile, Cessna delays Skycatcher deliveries.....

AVWEB


Jim Good
(AVSIG Member)
01/21/10 07:10 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

I thought that Piper already had a Light Sport Aircraft. Something they came out with 70 years ago, or so?


Ralph Hood
(Top Gun)
01/21/10 08:57 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

<<Cessna delays Skycatcher deliveries>>

Mase--

I hate to hear that.


Mase Taylor
(Top Gun)
01/21/10 11:04 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Quote:


I thought that Piper already had a Light Sport Aircraft. Something they came out with 70 years ago, or so?





Yeah, wish they were still building it now.


Tom Tyson [SUW]
(Glider Guider)
01/22/10 07:14 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Quote:

I thought that Piper already had a Light Sport Aircraft ...


They did, but the new one should cruise almost twice as fast on about the same fuel burn as the first one.

- TT (who has learned quite a bit about Mr. Piper and Mr. Taylor's FIRST LSA in the last few years)


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
01/23/10 06:30 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Quote:

"Piper Aircraft says it's going back to its roots with a Czech-built light sport aircraft




Wonder which of their roots they found in the Czech Republic?


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
01/23/10 06:33 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Mandrake?

Kcid LlirreM
(Top Gun)
10/17/10 08:38 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

The red and white model shown in the photo is now owned by my wife.

Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
10/17/10 10:32 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Quote:

The red and white model shown in the photo is now owned by my wife.




Congrats to her! How is it? Has she let you fly it yet?

Regards,
Joe


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
10/17/10 12:48 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Lucky for her! It looks like a very nice aircraft. How is she enjoying it?
Anne


John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
10/17/10 07:39 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

I saw one of these at a small exhibition at my local field, FCM. I was impressed. It was very attractive (unlike -many- LSAs) and the performance numbers looked respectable.

Congratulations!


Evad Rellimhtug
(Top Gun)
10/17/10 09:04 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

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The red and white model shown in the photo is now owned by my wife.




Dick,
So when is the new prop going to show up that pushes that thing to 140kts TAS? <g>


Kcid LlirreM
(Top Gun)
10/21/10 09:16 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Have not taken delivery yet. It is owned by a local Doctor, who wanted a blue and white one, but took the first one available, which was red and white. He is waiting on his blue and white one to be assembled in Florida.

Our buying it saved him a delivery trip back to FL.


John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
01/13/11 09:32 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

...a year later and Piper announced they are ending the marketing relationship with Czech Sport Aircraft.

They go on to say the separation is nothing to do with the aircraft, but a difference at the corporate level.

Piper Terminates PiperSport Relationship


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
01/13/11 10:50 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Quote:

...a year later and Piper announced they are ending the marketing relationship with Czech Sport Aircraft.




Must have figured out that their roots are in Pennsylvania after all.

Quote:

"Piper Aircraft says it's going back to its roots with a Czech-built light sport aircraft




Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
01/14/11 08:43 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

<< Must have figured out that their roots are in Pennsylvania after all. >>

I think their roots are in Brunei now...

Regards,
Joe


Kcid LlirreM
(Top Gun)
01/24/11 10:41 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Maybe putting their name on an airplane that has all the flight,engine and airframe instruments replaced by a non-TSO'd piece of junk called Dynon is a bad idea.

Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
01/24/11 05:18 PM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Fond of that Dynon, eh?

Regards,
Joe


Tom Tyson [SUW]
(Glider Guider)
01/28/11 06:35 AM
Re: Piper Announces LSA

Quote:

... a non-TSO'd piece of junk called Dynon is a bad idea.



?

As someone whose future is "married" to airplanes equipped with a Dynon EFIS, I have to ask:
1. Which model EFIS?
2. Which options does it (they) include?
3. What features don't work as you'd like?

These are serious questions and I'm not just trying to defend Dynon. While I don't have any operational experience with them yet, I'm in the middle of installing a dual Model 180 EFIS system with the autopilot option in an RV-12 and the hardware appears to be well made mechanically.

I'd also be interested in knowing if it's a complete Dynon system, or if the Czechs engineered a system with multiple vendors equipment in play. Everything I've heard from the RV-12 community concerning Dynon is good, but it's an end-to-end Dynon system (including all the sensors) with Garmin radios providing the NAV information.

Good luck sorting things out and let me know if I can be any help. Drop by sometime, the coffee pot's on.

- TT


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
02/01/11 10:26 PM
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Re: Piper Announces LSA

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Quote:

... a non-TSO'd piece of junk called Dynon is a bad idea.




While I don't have any operational experience with them yet,




Tom,

You may recall I installed a Dynon D-60 in my Chief (supplemental, VFR, situational awareness only <G>). In 50 or so hours before I sold it last April, I found the Dynon to be accurate, very readable and generally satisfactory. with one exception:

The heading reference was very goosy, difficult to "slave" and not usable in any mode other than level flight. Unfortunately, that was the functionality I wanted most from the device. If I were to have another, I would want a separate heading indicator



Paul Millner [OAK]
(Top Gun)
02/12/11 07:34 PM
Dynon in certified aircraft

Hi Bob,

Was the Dynon in your Champ installed on a 337, or logbook entry, or?

Paul


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
02/12/11 08:01 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Quote:

Hi Bob,

Was the Dynon in your Champ installed on a 337, or logbook entry, or?

Paul




It was done with just a logbook entry. If you look closely, you'll see that I retained all the required instruments, the rationale (agreed to by two of my colleagues-who are I.A.s)being that it was "supplemental" really no different than the common "paneldock" installations.

Looking back (I sold the Chief in June when I left Alaska), I probably wouldn't do it again, as there are a number of cheaper alternatives which hew closer to the regs, but the point under discussion was the quality of the device, and I found it to be highly suitable.

Bill (not Bob and it was a Chief, not Champ <G>)


Paul Millner [OAK]
(Top Gun)
02/15/11 08:52 AM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Sorry, Chief! Uh, er, Bill... :-). Paul (still PAMR at work!)

Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/15/11 06:31 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Yea, anyone can fly a Champ...now a Chief, that's different.

B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
02/15/11 06:33 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Quote:

Yea, anyone can fly a Champ...now a Chief, that's different.




108 hp, a.k.a. : The Big Iron


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/15/11 07:17 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Am I remembering wright or wrong, the Chief was shorter coupled and could swap ends easier than a Champ?
Wow, an 0-235, that must have climbed well!


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
02/15/11 07:41 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Quote:

Am I remembering wright or wrong, the Chief was shorter coupled and could swap ends easier than a Champ?
Wow, an 0-235, that must have climbed well!




Never having swapped ends in a Champ, but coming close a couple times in a Chief, I'm inclined to agree.

re: climb: The mains were usually off before I could get full power. I bought it after the conversion; all the important decisions had been made, but the same STC authorizes an O-200 and that would be a better airplane. 100 pounds lighter, same performance.


Reams Goodloe
(Top Gun)
02/16/11 03:50 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft



>>Never having swapped ends in a Champ, but coming close a couple times in a Chief, I'm inclined to agree.<<

Squirley, eh ?

A friend in high school (Titusville, Fl) had a Chief that we took down to Patrick AFB and flew some real slow GCAs on quiet nights..... and back to Arthur Dunn for exciting landings...

- Reams -


Jeff Hartmann CIC
(Top Gun)
02/16/11 04:45 PM
Re: Dynon in certified aircraft

Leffffffttt tuuuuuurrrnnnn ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ stoppppp turrrrrnnnn ZZZZZZ

Slow motion, followed by an F-106 at 160kts.



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