Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 11:11 AM
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So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

I'll start with mine (and set the bar really low for everyone):



Up until several years ago, it had a horizontal WW-2 surplus DG. You can see the hole for the adjustment knob for that DG and the worn paint around it from decades of adjustment. It finally failed in 2003. Its replacement lasted four years.

This photo was taken at cruise. The throttle is fully in, carb heat is on to warm the carb intake and the RPM was adjusted by use of the mixture control. There is no dimmer switch for the illumination for the VOR heads, hence the red acetate sheets that have been taped there for nearly 20 years.


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 11:43 AM
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Stephanie -- Here's one, from before the interior job in the winter, so there are some cosmetic differences.



Tom Tyson [GSO]
(Glider Guider)
08/05/09 11:52 AM
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My last (airworthy) panel

The hole in the middle was for my tactical race computer (L-Nav, Ralph) which was back at the factory getting upgraded when the photo was shot.

Red knob is canopy jettison and the yellow knob is the tow release. The flap handle is blocking the climb averager

Like that turn and a half airspeed indicator? It reads 0 kts in the photo, 20 kts is at 9-oclock, 40 kts is the bottom of the white arc and 135 kts is the redline.


Sean Franklin
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 01:07 PM
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I made up this photo for the Controller ad, when I had my airplane up for sale.



J. Wiley
(Aviation Researcher)
08/05/09 01:27 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Stephanie, I thought it was some new infrared navigation system for wx and night flying.

Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 01:34 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

My previous machine...don't have a current panel shot.

Pneumatic variometer, ASI, electric vario in the top row (the ASI is a 1-1/2 turn unit like Tom's, actually meant for helicopters). Smallest gauge is OAT, required because the ship carries water ballast. Vertical two-knob panel controls the audio vario readout; open hole is the radio out for repair. Squeeze handle on the stick is the wheel brake, actually a motorcycle item. Yellow knob releases the tow.

Can you tell where the manufacturer got the stick grip? The rectangular hole near the top is a clue.



Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 01:36 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Scott, IIRC from `02, you have a radar CRT to the right of the radio stack and one or two other things.

Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 01:39 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Stephanie, I thought it was some new infrared navigation system for wx and night flying.



The choice was to either pay the avionics tech to install dimmers or use electrical tape to put some red acetate over it. One was elegant, the other was cheap.

I chose "cheap." It was about the only cheap thing I could ever do. <g>


Sean Franklin
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 01:39 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

What airplane is that, Scott? 210? Your profile doesn't say.

Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 01:40 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Can you tell where the manufacturer got the stick grip?




Schwinn Aircraft Supply? <g>


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 01:44 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Just got my first exposure to the L-Nav last month when I took my BFR in a Duo Discus (at outrageous prices)...the club's G103 ist kaputt thanks to a winch launch that went very sour.

The L-Nav is impressive indeed. The Duo is sweet to fly, but the cockpit is built for people without elbows, especially considering where they put the EDS O2 thingie...



Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 01:52 PM
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Here's mine.




Variometer on the left, digital altimeter in the center and pyrometer on the right.

And here's the one I borrow every other week or so:




Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 02:06 PM
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Stephanie -- Yup, EX500, Garmin 330 mode S transponder, and XM/MP3 control head, in addition to the usual FF/MP and Tach gauges.



Sean Franklin
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 02:07 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Here's mine.





Citations are less well equipped than I thought ;-)


Tom Tyson [GSO]
(Glider Guider)
08/05/09 02:09 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

... where the manufacturer got the stick grip?



Know, pass on this round


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 02:10 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Sean -- Yup, T210M. Mit Funkmessgerät. (For Ray)

Tom Tyson [GSO]
(Glider Guider)
08/05/09 02:27 PM
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I happened to have taken some panel shots of the King Air Jeff Hartmann flies the day before I went into the hospital.

Nice office...

(posted with his permission)


J. Wiley
(Aviation Researcher)
08/05/09 02:55 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Here's mine.

And here's the one I borrow every other week or so:







..hope it wasn't taken while in flight!


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 03:02 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

I'll take a good one tomorrow and post it here. I have one, but it has a big shadow across it.

I'd pop over to the airport today but there are serious thunderbumpers in the area.

Speaking of which, yesterday I started out to do a great photo shoot from just east of Worcester, MA all the way to the western part of of the state. Got as far as Worcester and found a fog/cloud bank just south and west of the city, completely unforecast. So we turned around. We'll try again tomorrow.

Anne


Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 03:09 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Quote:

Here's mine.

And here's the one I borrow every other week or so:







..hope it wasn't taken while in flight!




No, that was a shot taken during my last check ride!!


John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 03:17 PM
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Here is the panel shot from N6039N, one of two Centurions in the club. We try for consistency as much as possible across our fleet of six Cessnas. The Skylanes and Centurions are very similarly equipped. The Skyhawks don't have the Stormscope, autopilot, engine analyzer, or fuel flow meter.



Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
(AVSIG Member)
08/05/09 03:24 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Bruce,

What do you mean "borrow"?


Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 03:31 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

They let me use it.

They also tell me where to take it, at what time, who will be flying with me and who will be in the back.

But they do pay for the gas.


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 03:31 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

John,

After you first post and upload the image, open the attachment. Copy the URL of the attachment.

Then go back and re-open your post for editing. Click on the "image" link below the edit box. A dialogue box will pop up; paste the URL for the attachment into it and click "OK". Click "continue" to finish editing and it will be there.

You ought to re-size your image to a width of 600 pixels, though, otherwise ol' Yrral is going to rain abuse and disdain down upon your head. <g>


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 03:36 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Here's mine.




Variometer on the left, digital altimeter in the center and pyrometer on the right.




A hot-air balloon?


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/05/09 03:38 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Stephanie -- Yup, EX500, Garmin 330 mode S transponder, and XM/MP3 control head, in addition to the usual FF/MP and Tach gauges.






Scott,

Did you get around to putting in a wet bar? <g>

I shouldn't kid, really. Not when you've got boxes that are worth more than my entire airplane.....


Bruce Gorrell [EQY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 03:39 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Yes.

Actually, I just sold it last week.


Robert Mann [HPN-NY]
(AVSIG Member)
08/05/09 03:40 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Bruce,

Beats my office.

Corporate pilot, I presume?


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 04:25 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Stephanie -- Worth more than my airframe, too. ;-)

The wet bar is evident as flight duration and age increase.

(Ewwwwwww)


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 04:25 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

John -- An "M"? Looks like it to me.

John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 05:26 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Yep, it is a 1978 C210M. Both of ours are M models.

John


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 05:38 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

John - Gotta love 'em. Still got the doors on the gear (I hope)?

John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 05:43 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

John - Gotta love 'em. Still got the doors on the gear (I hope)?




I do love them! We had one destroyed in an accident a few years ago. No one injured. The search for replacement took us a long time since we were very picky. We ended up with N761SP, which we found in Baton Rouge, LA in a hangar with some friends of the good Doctor.

The one that crashed had the door mod. The current two still have the gear doors, but our mechanics regularly threaten to remove them, as they are showing their age. We are working hard with our membership to have them slow to below 125 knots before lowering the gear to lower the stress on the gear doors.


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 09:51 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

John -- That's the ticket. Occcasionally, I have to throw the doors out at
140, during fast approaches at big cities, and I hate that. Usually it's
around 120-125.


Andrew Niemyer -KDLH
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 10:33 PM
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What are those roundy thingies? <VBG>


Best as always,
Andy


Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 11:10 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

You know, there's this high-falutin' website called "AvSig" that has a gallery of its members aircraft panels. Apparently only one member has an aircraft with a panel, though:

http://tinyurl.com/mrc6y9

(The kitchen sink is behind that cover on the right. <g>)

Regards,
Joe


Gil Buettner [KCWA/KAUW]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 11:26 PM
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Here is the panel of my 1967 Bonanza. Lots of old stuff that works most of the time, sort of like the pilot.

Gil Buettner [KCWA/KAUW]
(Top Gun)
08/05/09 11:35 PM
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Here is the right side. Unfortunately, the Garmin handheld is blocking the lower part of the radio stack. There's a KLN-90B there.

Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 07:28 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Never see that stuff on TapUBB.

Stephanie Belser-2
(Top Gun APC)
08/06/09 07:34 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

What are those roundy thingies? <VBG>




"Roundy thingies""??

By the way, do you get HBO on those TV sets in your panel? With the joysticks, it must be great for playing with MSFS. <g>


Tom Tyson [GSO]
(Glider Guider)
08/06/09 07:40 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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... With the joysticks, it must be great for playing with MSFS ...



Yeah, and I understand that there are pedals that are connected as well (not that most people care ...)


Stephanie Belser-2
(Top Gun APC)
08/06/09 07:40 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

You know, there's this high-falutin' website called "AvSig" that has a gallery of its members aircraft panels




Really, tell us more. <g>

So, we have an active thread going that doesn't involve stuff in S8 and you're complaining?

<mutter>(Just no pleasin' some folks..) </mutter>


Kcid LlirreM
(AVSIG Member)
08/06/09 10:07 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Never flew one with doors. But I loved the later models that allowed you to use the gear at cruise speed.

Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 10:16 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Dick - I'd think that the occasions of needing to operate the gear in
excess of 140IAS are few and far between. In any event, in level cruise
flight I'm usually at or below Vlgo, so the same is largely true for the "Ms".

Vlge is redline in the "Ms", as well as earlier models (I think).


Steve Leonard [PDK-ATL]
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 01:20 PM
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The two panels I see most often:



Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/06/09 01:29 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Is the first shot reversed? I thought only those rotary-wing folks sat on the right side.

Steve Leonard [PDK-ATL]
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 01:47 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

>Is the first shot reversed?

No, most of the Marchettis in the world are configured to fly from the right seat. Its primary role is as a military trainer, and they want students to get used to having the stick in their right hand and the throttle in their left, to make the transition to fighters easier. (Some, like mine, have a second instructor throttle - though no mixture or prop control - on the left sidewall.) It takes a couple of hours to get used to, but after that it's perfectly natural.


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 02:24 PM
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Airplane #1



B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 02:36 PM
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Aircraft #2

Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 04:01 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Never see that stuff on TapUBB.




In that case, here's my panel:



Buttons . . . check. Dials . . . check. Switches . . . check. Little colored lights . . . check.

Regards,
Joe


Scott Dyer [HPN/NY]
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 04:10 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Joe - Just like Lost in Space. <G>

Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 07:59 PM
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Here's my R22. Sorry for the poor quality. It was taken with a snapshot camera.
Anne


Bill Bridges - T47
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 08:30 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Where's your string? Real pilots have a string. :-).

Bill


Dave Siciliano (ADS)
(Top Gun)
08/06/09 10:00 PM
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Here's the P-Baron. On-board radar is under the right yoke.

Best,

Dave


Nigel Thompson(1D2)
(AVSIG Member)
08/07/09 03:06 PM
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Here's mine.

N99RL V35B


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/07/09 03:14 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

At 155mph, you kind of blow by me. <g>

Two hand-held GPS units?


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/07/09 03:17 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Anne, what's the word under "R-22"?

(By the way, I was chatting with Melanie Dziadulewicz at 44N a little while back. She said ti say "hi".)


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/07/09 03:19 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:



Buttons . . . check. Dials . . . check. Switches . . . check. Little colored lights . . . check.




Is that big screen targeting a 2M square thermal exhaust port? <g>


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 03:52 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Mariner.

My helicopter is an R22 Mariner. RHC doesn't make them anymore. I have a separate set of skids with inflated floats that I can change to if I want to land on water. It also has things better sealed against water. Originally the battery was in the body of the helicopter under the panel but I had it moved back for CG purposes since I don't plan to land on water (except by accident). These are not pop-out floats, but you have to inflate them before flying.

What is missing from that particular photo is my highest-tech piece of equipment. It is a yaw string attached to the center post just above and out of the picture.

Say hi to Melanie. Is she retired now? Tell her to get in touch with me.
Anne


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 03:55 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Oh it is there alright. Attached to the center post just above and out of the photo.

Anne


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 03:55 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Ah, I see you like that cartoon by Calvin and Hobbes. I have a copy on my fridge.

Anne


Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 03:56 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

<< Is that big screen targeting a 2M square thermal exhaust port? <g> >>

Naaah, I use The Force for that. It's the force field readout of the Hydrolithifier.

(Cleverly disguised as an MX-20 with the compass rose displayed on the map.)

Regards,
Joe


Stephanie Belser
(Top Gun APC)
08/07/09 04:19 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

She's retired and she is farming a few miles north of 44N.

I just PM'd her email addy to you.


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 06:02 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

>>> Two hand-held GPS units?

Updating an old Chinese-attributed line about watches...

A man with a GPS unit always knows where he is. A man with two GPS units is
never sure.


Nigel Thompson(1D2)
(AVSIG Member)
08/07/09 06:16 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

The truth about the two hand held GPS's.

The one on the panel is a PDA based XMWX system that I used as a weather terminal and not much else (and it was rather unreliable). The yoke mount is an old Garmin 196 that I have had for some time and never got rid of. Actually, since that picture was taken I have bought another XM enabled GPS and both the 196 and the PDA are currently for sale on ebay.


Nigel.


Dave Siciliano (ADS)
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 06:21 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Ah, a very familar looking arrangement!

Best,

Dave


Nigel Thompson(1D2)
(AVSIG Member)
08/07/09 06:21 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Re: 155mph.

Yes, we were going very slowly when that picture was taken. Low power setting and only 4500ft. <g>

Went to Vermont from Detroit at 15,000 a few weeks ago, nice 195ktas, and a ground speed for part of the way at 250kts.

Quite efficient at 15 gph.

Who cares anyway, having fun in/with the machine is the key.

All the best, Nigel.


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 10:20 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Got it, thanks!

She is a good friend of a Whirly Girl friend of mine. I met her a few years ago at a Women in Aviation conference.

Anne


Bill Bridges - T47
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 10:43 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Anne,

Quote:

my highest-tech piece of equipment. It is a yaw string attached to the center post




I'm proud of you. :-).

I have a picture of an AH-1G instrument panel my front seat took when we were coming out the bottom of a split 'S' with the AI showing 'Dive' and the in about a 160 degree bank. I will post it when my new scanner arrives.

Bill


Gil Buettner [KCWA/KAUW]
(Top Gun)
08/07/09 11:02 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Re: 155mph.

Yes, we were going very slowly when that picture was taken. Low power setting and only 4500ft. <g>






You had me wondering for a while there. I often have trouble keeping it out of the yellow arc.


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/08/09 10:59 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Sometimes I wish I had a turn and bank indicator, only to see how steep my angle is when I'm making a turn around a site. I think I'm in a greater than 60 degree bank, but I'm not sure. In any event, it is fun!

Anne


sreyoB yrraL
(AVSIG Member)
08/08/09 11:03 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Sometimes I wish I had a turn and bank indicator, only to see how steep my angle is when I'm making a turn around a site. I think I'm in a greater than 60 degree bank, but I'm not sure. In any event, it is fun!




An attitude indicator?


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/08/09 11:13 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Oh, my attitude is great, thank you very much. <G>

Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
08/08/09 01:45 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

I think we all have an innate tendency to overestimate bank angles -- 30 looks like 45, 45 like 60, 60 like vertical. Much the same with ski slopes, too...

John O'Shaughnessy [FCM]
(Top Gun)
08/08/09 01:48 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

I think we all have an innate tendency to overestimate bank angles -- 30 looks like 45, 45 like 60, 60 like vertical. Much the same with ski slopes, too...




Ooooh! Good idea. Someone ought to put green circles, blue squares, and black diamonds on the attitude indicators!


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/08/09 09:12 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

I figured out mine by looking at the central post in relation to the horizon. Looks like 60+ to me.

Anne


Bill Bridges - T47
(Top Gun)
08/08/09 09:18 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Anne,

Quote:

I figured out mine by looking at the central post in relation to the horizon. Looks like 60+ to me.





It's tuff dealing with people who can't hover. Explain the 'string' to them again. :-).

Bill


Steve Leonard [PDK-ATL]
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 12:55 PM
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This panel certainly isn't mine, but I did get to fly it for a little while on Friday morning. It's in Delta's B-777-200LR simulator in Atlanta. Boeing's engineers have created an airplane so smart that it can make even me look like I know what I'm doing!

Sorry about the awful photo. One of the real pilots whose training session I was observing took it with his cell phone.



Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 07:23 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Yes, I feel sorry for them. ;-)

Anne


Gil Buettner [KCWA/KAUW]
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 07:44 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Sometimes I wish I had a turn and bank indicator, only to see how steep my angle is when I'm making a turn around a site. I think I'm in a greater than 60 degree bank, but I'm not sure. In any event, it is fun!

Anne




I think a turn and bank might disappoint you a bit if you are looking for bank angle. Same with a turn coordinator.


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 08:51 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Anne,

I kinda doubt you'd be able to maintain altitude in a 60 degree bank, even
with a ton of collective, a hearty throttle twist, and a blind eye to the MP
gauge. Much beyond 60 degrees, it ain't gonna fly in a coordinated turn.

G loading in a coordinated turn is proportional to the tangent of the bank
angle. Beyond 60 degrees, the tangent function rises very steeply. At 90
degrees, it's infinite.

Having taught a lot of steep turns (airplane is 45 degrees for private,
55-60 degrees for commercial), I have a pretty good eye for bank angle. 45
degrees in an R-22 feels like a lot unless you're doing a 180 auto. Level
flight at that bank angle is tough. 30 was all I ever did in flight for
private or commercial helo training/checkride.

Ray


Ralph Jones
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 09:18 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

G loading in a coordinated turn is proportional to the tangent of the bank angle.




Secant.


Bill Bridges - T47
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 09:36 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Quote:

Anne,

I kinda doubt you'd be able to maintain altitude in a 60 degree bank, even with a ton of collective, a hearty throttle twist, and a blind eye to the MP gauge. Much beyond 60 degrees, it ain't gonna fly in a coordinated turn. G loading in a coordinated turn is proportional to the tangent of the bank angle. Beyond 60 degrees, the tangent function rises very steeply. At 90 degrees, it's infinite.Having taught a lot of steep turns (airplane is 45 degrees for private, 55-60 degrees for commercial), I have a pretty good eye for bank angle. 45 degrees in an R-22 feels like a lot unless you're doing a 180 auto. Level flight at that bank angle is tough. 30 was all I ever did in flight for private or commercial helo training/checkride.

Ray




I can't speak for the R-22. It was not uncommon to roll out of a gun run into a 90 degree bank in both UH-1Cs and AH-1Gs. We would Split-S the Gs on occassion.

Part of the A/C checkride (UH-1) in RVN was a 180 autorotation at 100 feet at 80 KIAS. The bank was not 90 but in the 75/80 degree range.

When trying to get into some LZs we would beep the rotor down to the bottom of the green arch. Roll it into a 90 degree righ bank,collective on the floor, add hard right pedal to get the nose down and come down in excess of 5000 fpm. This was usually done from 3000 agl.

In the UH-1s I can not remember them not being in trim once past translational lift.

Bill


Anne Umphrey (KBED)
(Top Gun)
08/09/09 10:51 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Well, I'll have to find some way to test it. But, I do know that I lay it on its side enough so that the photographer is looking straight down or almost so. I can make a rather tight circle and maintain altitude.

Anne


Ray Tackett
(Top Gun)
08/10/09 03:13 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Right.

Jim Gifford
(Top Gun)
08/10/09 07:25 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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G loading in a coordinated turn is proportional to the tangent of the bank angle.




Secant.




Why can't se?


Joe Budge (W29)
(Top Gun)
08/10/09 08:13 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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Why can't se?




José can you?

Sí!


Regards,
Joe


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
08/12/09 04:26 PM
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Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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This panel certainly isn't mine, It's in Delta's B-777-200LR simulator




Hey! Is that permitted? If so, here's here's the Caravan sim in which I took my annual instrument comp check in May:



Tom Charlton
(AVSIG Member)
08/12/09 07:12 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?


Hey! Is that permitted? If so, here's here's the Caravan sim in which I took my annual instrument comp check in May:





Bill,
Which Caravan sim is that?
We've used the Flight Safety Caravan sim in Wichita for initial and some recurrency. We've also used an inexpensive one in Manhattan KS. I'm no longer current flying our company 208 but I'm looking into sending my chief pilot to Pan Am in Memphis.
Tom C.


Nigel Thompson(1D2)
(AVSIG Member)
08/12/09 07:31 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Ok, well if this is permitted, here we are doing some maneuvering in the Citation X (at Flight Sim).

Very efficient, doesn't use a drop of Jet A1 at Mach 0.88.

Nigel.

http://www.aero-farm.com/public/258882-DSC_4929-2.JPG


Nigel Thompson(1D2)
(AVSIG Member)
08/12/09 07:35 PM
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Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

Well I obviously got the attachment wrong on the last one...let's try again.

N.


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
08/12/09 07:54 PM
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Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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Bill,
Which Caravan sim is that?
We've used the Flight Safety Caravan sim in Wichita for initial and some recurrency. We've also used an inexpensive one in Manhattan KS. I'm no longer current flying our company 208 but I'm looking into sending my chief pilot to Pan Am in Memphis.
Tom C.






It is one of the many many perks that go with my job at the University of Alaska Anchorage. It is a full-motion level B Frasca with the Capstone I avionics package. We also have FTDs for C-172 (with or without G1000 panel), Piper Arrow, Baron and Twin Otter.

We do sell time to a couple of Alaska air taxi operators and to Kenmore Air from Seattle. They all provide their own curriculum and training/standards folks. If you are interested, I can get you some rates and contact info.

Bill


Rod Madsen (KCLT/NC)
(AVSIG Member)
08/12/09 08:18 PM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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We also have FTDs for C-172 (with or without G1000 panel), Piper Arrow, Baron and Twin Otter.




Piper Arrow, huh. Doesn't somebody up there have one of those?


B. Butler (Oregonian)
(Top Gun)
08/12/09 08:25 PM
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We also have FTDs for C-172 (with or without G1000 panel), Piper Arrow, Baron and Twin Otter.




Piper Arrow, huh. Doesn't somebody up there have one of those?




The purest of coincidences, I assure you. You don't know where I can find an AC-11 sim do you? My crosswind technique could use a bit of work.



BTW, as of last Friday, the Arrow lives in Ashland, Oregon, where I will visit it often.


Tom Charlton
(AVSIG Member)
08/14/09 07:05 AM
Re: So, What Does Your Panel Look Like?

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We do sell time to a couple of Alaska air taxi operators and to Kenmore Air from Seattle. They all provide their own curriculum and training/standards folks. If you are interested, I can get you some rates and contact info.

Bill




Thanks Bill. Only problem is the distance... KISM ~ PANC. Not conducive to containing cost. I didn't know that Frasca made a Caravan sim. Be nice if someone installed one here in Orlando.
Tom C.



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